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Luck Continues with TurkeysMay 10th, 2014 at 9:53:36 am
Spring Turkey season continues to be good to me the last few seasons. I've just been plain lucky. This time I was hunting by myself, which is more challenging. I tried to take a better picture than this, but there was no one to fan the tail out while the other guy takes the pic. Cell phone on top of that.

Hopefully you can get an idea just how pretty the bird is, although with turkeys that is hard to appreciate unless you know them a bit. It's the iridescence and brown/black combinations. The head is hard to love for the uninitiated too I guess. Gorgeous to me! That thing coming out of it's chest is its beard, a hairlike structure that's like a ponytail in the front. Beard measured 10 inches and I figure Tom weighed over 20 pounds.

May 10th, 2014 at 3:02:14 pm
Another thunder chicken for the OG household! You've certainly got me licked in that department. I've never even seen a turkey while toting a gun.

Anyways, nice bird. Gratz!
May 11th, 2014 at 6:10:08 am
Thanks, Face, hear is the whole story, which a hunter likes to tell ... you and some others here will like it I assume.

It's a little harder to hunt Spring Toms by yourself, in that with 2 guys one can call and set the shooter up ahead; the shooter can just be still and wait.*

Often you locate gobblers just waiting for them to decide to start gobbling on the roost at sunup. This is a good sign if it happens. This day, however, no such luck, meaning my chances dropped by 50% at least. I was ruefully pondering whether my two buds picked the right day to blow it off. But it’s the old “you never know” and “persistence pays” and all that; after a couple of hours, a turkey sounds off in response to my call.* Sure enough, as I approach he gobbles and, wow, I realize I am too close! I have to immediately sit down at a tree, too exposed for my liking. The idea is to have total camouflage on including face mask, the tree trunk helping the camo work; but the thing is, you can’t move. You absolutely cannot let the bird see you move at all, no matter how slowly. Well, the old guy trips past me displaying, but I can’t get my gun up to shoot, he will see that.*

About to leave me, he gets behind some really thick stuff, and I decide to move now to a different spot on the trunk.* He vanishes, no sign of him. After a minute or so he confounds me by gobbling again at a distance! He keeps heading away, and I have no choice but to follow. He is still gobbling, so I get close again and set up. But now he quits making noise; after a considerable time, I go ‘uh oh’- he is wise to me. But the rules are, wait! You don’t know what he will do. By the time I am pretty sure I’ve blown it, I am looking around carefully and see a stump that looks oddly like a gobbler’s tail feathers, all spread out like a Thanksgiving picture. “Heh”, you see weird things in the woods, I’m thinking. Then the ‘stump’ slowly rotates; he has come in silent, the rascal! He’s displaying for the hen, she is to see that and they can get it on while he feels safer knocking off all that noise! Well, he gets very close, steps behind a tree, then my gun is up. As he steps out from behind the tree, he never knows what hit him. I think you can call that dying happy.

At least there was one happy hunter! Love telling the story.

If one guy is the caller, he usually has to mess with his calls, making movement; this doesn't mean that there aren't plenty of stories with the caller getting the shot instead though! The bird can be tricky about what route he takes to check it all out. I can use a mouth call, though, so I can call without moving my hands around. 3 people make more movement, that is sort of a limit. 4 people need one guy to hang back and guard the rear for unexpected approaches, it’s just too likely someone will be spotted moving. All such need to be good hunters knowing how to be still. It’s gratifying for your skills to succeed alone.

About a bird sounding off at a distance: the trickiest thing is to judge how close to get. It is as big a mistake too stay far away as it is to get too close and be seen. Also, you have to know the terrain and be sure you aren’t expecting him to cross some BS he just isn’t going to cross. I try to get just the right distance away to set up. The gobbler expects the hen to come to him for the most part.

About finally hearing a gobble: Probably his hens have quit paying attention to him and he likes the idea of this harlot a couple of hundred yards off, ready to rock and roll he thinks. This is a wary creature, the turkey, though, and he will be quite cautious anyway [most of the time, and this guy was]

About not moving: in my younger days, I practiced moving as slow as the minute hand on a clock. Seriously. This is do-able and works. The eye has receptors for movement, and you will notice your own eyes do not see a minute hand moving. Unfortunately, for a turkey this has to be more perfect than I can quite manage, plus an older guy shakes too much [g]. It is absolutely astonishing how fast a turkey takes off once one sees you move; true of many animals.

About moving in the exposed spot: this was risky, the bird would hear it, but should think it is the hen. I expected to see him check it out, and maybe he did. Often the Tom will get in thick stuff and just send his head up like a sub with a periscope. If so [I didn't see it] he probably didn’t like what he saw or heard but wasn’t really spooked. He could have spooked from my move, but it was my only move to get a shot. You never figure you’ll get another chance to get the bird to come in to your calls. For what he actually did do, possibly he thought the area was too exposed too.
May 11th, 2014 at 6:12:49 am
grrr. Here is the whole story, not 'hear' is the whole story. A typo I am prone too, alas.

Just Psyched Out Fly Fishing?April 24th, 2014 at 1:38:05 pm
Well, I took the plunge and bought a fly fishing rig that was ready to go.

Practiced a little bit with it and got puzzled. Why did I think this was so hard? The last time I tried it I used an older brother's fly rod and something about it discouraged me. I will even say *he* possibly discouraged me, which would be ironic, as he has been super as far as encouraging me generally to keep up with hunting and fishing, above the call of duty really. But you know how it is with older brothers. Some look of disapproval? Some sign of disappointment that I didn't measure up to his skill level immediately? Just me being too hard on myself?

I can't remember what was so lacking in my casting [it was eons ago when I tried it]. With this out of the box thing, I think I'll do OK. No doubt I'll get better, cast further and more accurately as I go along. Maybe the el cheapo rig is perfect for me somehow.

On the other hand, as far as any other aspect of fly fishing goes, I have no idea of what the F I'm doing. We'll have to see how it goes. Stay tuned.

April 25th, 2014 at 7:44:29 am
First, stop lamenting your costs. Cheap is good. They all slam in the door the same ;) Bitch about high prices, not low.

The act of doing it is just forgetting spin rod casting. Ash is having a bitch of a time with it, so much so that she’s getting pissed before we even leave the house lol. The first thing is you can’t snap it forward. No wrist. It’s all rod. Just gently swing it forward and backward. Try to snap it and your line is gonna wad and hit you in the back of the head.

Second is speed. At the beginning, your arm doesn’t stop moving. As soon as you back cast, the line is already stretched to the max because it’s short. As you play out line, you have to give it pause to allow the line to splay out and reach maximum length before switching directions. Once you got 60’ feet out, you spend more time paused then you do swinging. Swish, swish, swish,..swish,.. swish,….. swish,…… swish,…………… swish,………………….. swish,…………………………….. swish,……………………………………………………………………..

Third, and maybe most important, is you don’t point your rod. Spin casting you basically snap it right at where you want the lure to land. Fly rods you sort of lob in, as if you were shooting a basketball with your rod. Let’s say straight up and down is 0*. If you end at 90* with your rod horizontal and pointing where you want your lure to be, your line will hit the water in a wad, make a disturbance, and fall short. If you end with it at 30*, pointing more up than out like a lob, your line will play out and lay on the water in a perfect lie, and way out at the end will be your lure, well away from the thick, bright fly line.

After that, it’s just “curling”. You know when the extension cord is in the way of your vacuum, so you kind of snap the cord up and over by hand? And it causes a sort of wave that rolls the cord up and away from the vacuum? Do the same with your fly line. “Curl” it so your lure leads and is the first thing the fish sees, as opposed to the thick ass fly line. This is assuming you’re fishing in a current, of course.

All of this stuff I could GoPro, if necessary =)

Start with your bluegill and crick chubs. Those things will whack anything near them, so you don’t have to worry about super clean casts and perfect curls. It’ll keep you entertained as you practice. Just remember to practice. Just because it works for sunnies doesn’t mean you should stop refining your game =)
April 25th, 2014 at 9:34:26 am
> [forget] spin rod casting


> 60 feet

in the air at once? really? something tells me Ash and me could commiserate under the brow-beating of you and my brother both [vbg]. Probably unintentional in both cases.

Thanks, sounds like really good advice.
April 25th, 2014 at 12:49:34 pm
Interesting? No. It's crucial.

I dunno about you, but with a spin cast, I use almost no arm. My arm raises to get the rod up and away from my head, but the whole forward flick to send the bait out is probably 95% wrist-only. You absolutely cannot do that with a fly rod.

Any "snap" is gonna jack up the flow of your line. About the best thing I can compare it to is cracking a whip. Try to muscle it and it just falls limp and flacid. You got to have that flow. Imagine you have a paint brush in your hand. If you're flailing your arm enough or snapping your wrist enough to fling paint off it, you're doing it wrong.

Quote: OG
> 60 feet

in the air at once? really? something tells me Ash and me could commiserate under the brow-beating of you and my brother both [vbg]. Probably unintentional in both cases.

Some of the books I've read say that 90' is easily possible with the right technique. Personally, my environment couldn't allow that. You've seen where I fish, the cliffs and the trees are right there, and the cricks themselves are only 3' - 20' wide. Almost all my casts are about 15', and I'd judge them as very good. Increasing that to even 25' puts me in the land of "sloppy".

One time I was messing around and maybe got 40' feet out, just seeing how big I could go. But I fell into that area where common sense is actually wrong, and tried to muscle it forward because "it was so much line". I whipped it forward aggressively and it all fell in a heap behind me.

It's a totally different experience. There's that saying that "if fishing is religion, then fly fishing is high church". There's a whole new world about to open up before you. Take your time and revel in the experience of learning. The skill will come =)
April 26th, 2014 at 6:03:40 am
>The skill will come

thanks for all the support. I think so too; physical competency does seem to come slower to me than others, but on something like this, it comes.

Hunting is Like ThatApril 14th, 2014 at 12:17:09 pm
Just watched an episode of "Riggo on the Range" where apparently they wanted to show Riggins and some other hunters shooting a bunch of Partridges, but over what looked like three days, they only got a couple of shots and one bird. I'm here to tell you hunting can definitely be like that, and there are few veteran hunters who won't tell you they just enjoy the outdoors and take it in stride. For most, if they had to consistently bag game, they'd give it up instead.

There are other disappointments. This week was supposed to include hunting for me, but it fell through. Yep, I could still go, but the conditions would be less than ideal, and this time of year I definitely prefer going with at least one companion. So, having set the time aside, I'm going to try to hit a casino instead for my jollies. I'm glad I have the alternative.

BTW if you like hunting, "Riggo on the Range" is a great show. All of those other hunting shows I dislike; the sponsors tend to screw them up with their baloney, and usually I start to suspect what they are showing is either not "free chase" or for some other reason too much like shooting fish in a barrel. Riggins is a real hunter and you can just tell it isn't about that kind of stuff. In fact when I picture what would be the ideal hunting life for me, Riggins seems to live it.

For a disclaimer, I have always been a Redskins fan too, so there's that.


April 19th, 2014 at 1:45:57 pm
There seems to be a renewal in the Farm to Fork restaurants and Eat Locally movements but this often involves vegetarians as well. Lately, hunters and anglers have chipped in with culinary treasures involving hunting and fishing. Dressing fish and game is not often talked about these days but its useless to be a hunter and not to also be a butcher.
April 21st, 2014 at 7:00:57 am
>its useless to be a hunter and not to also be a butcher

You certainly need to be a cook. Back in my Granddad's day, the womenfolk would be expected to clean and cook the game. But even my Dad found out he can forget that; a revolt had taken place when it came to the cleaning.

Some wives will cook game. My wife especially likes to cook any turkeys or venison and does a great job.

There is such a thing as a woman hunter, but in my experience the ones who participate like it to join in on a family thing.
May 5th, 2014 at 4:33:01 pm
>There is such a thing as a woman hunter, but in my experience the ones who participate like it to join in on a family thing.
No longer. Annual Texas event is a women only Hunting and Fishing school for Empowered Women conducted by some famous woman sports person. Something like two grand a day.

Civil War Torpedo IncidentNovember 12th, 2013 at 2:29:44 am
CSS Saint Patrick attacks the USS Octorara

Harper's magazine at the time of the war describes this incident,

"About 2 AM ... a moving object came out of the darkness and appeared
alongside the ... Octorara. The captain of the afterguard grabbed it
by the smokestack and tried to hold it fast, meanwhile calling for
ropes. But the pipe was hot and he had to let it go. The nearly
submerged vessel rapidly steamed away."

Significant to the WoV thread http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/questions-and-answers/math/15727-surface-to-air-missile-problem/ , the Octorara was underway, thus the CS attack involved the complicated circumstance of a moving attacker attempting to intersect with a moving target. As far as I have been able to determine, this was the only attempt the Confederates ever made to sink a moving ship with a spar torpedo.

I am interested in the American Civil War [ACW] and got interested in the development of the torpedo during that war. As many of you know, "torpedo" was what mines were called in those days, and certainly static placement was how torpedoes/mines were initially used in that war. As the war went on, however, what was called "spar torpedoes" came into use. This involved the technique of placing a torpedo on the tip of a wooden boom that could be raised and lowered. It was discovered that the attacking vessel could expect to survive the explosion if a relatively small distance was obtained and the blast took place underwater. The resulting column of water generated - not the shock wave itself - was what was nearly too much to deal with.

Confederate torpedoes sank 29 Union ships and damaged another 14 for a total of 43, and such success naturally motivated more and more aggressive ideas, and by the latter stages of the war actively taking the torpedo to the target was on the menu.

I read whatever I could find on it, and this incident was the only one I could find where a ship underway was ever attacked by torpedoes in the ACW. Confederate records were all destroyed and participants were generally not talking; due to the nature of the warfare there was concern that those involved would be hanged. So we don't actually know what happened in this incident from their perspective, being "shrouded in mystery" according to one author. Union intelligence reports indicated that the US was aware of the Saint Patrick, but they wildly speculated as to her nature. Some reports had her as a machine powered submarine. Judging by what is known about the incident, however, the boat was almost surely a "David", a type of torpedo boat designed for sneak attacks on larger vessels.

So perhaps the boat's attack could be considered more mundane than all the mystery would suggest, except for one thing: it was truly ambitious for the time to attempt an attack on a moving vessel. I don't believe the attack took place by having the David just follow the target. The Saint Patrick was unlikely to be able to start right behind the Octorara; if starting from a distance the efficiency of attaining the target would have been dubious. Under the circumstance of 'behind and near', the attack would have been instantly effected and upon the stern of the target. Union intelligence would have had the Federal sailors wanting to move along at a good clip, surely, dealing with the possibility of a powered submarine. Being underway at a good clip may have lowered their guard, though, as surprise was achieved. Note that the Saint Patrick appeared alongside her target. This seems to indicate that the interception was successful but it was too difficult to engage the target with the spar torpedo. It is also possible that the torpedo failed to explode. "Alongside" may also have indicated a muffed intercept. It is also likely that the torpedo type required something more complicated than contact to set it off, as was seen in other incidents where actively moving the torpedo to the target was involved. There is evidence that both sides realized explode-upon-contact torpedoes were very dangerous when used as spar torpedoes.

January 12th, 2014 at 8:54:00 am
Tides and currents were bad enough if exhausted submariners had to also propel the boat itself.

Those who tried to use an auger to attach a torpedo below the water line were often defeated by a copper sheath that had been applied for anti-fouling to deter barnacle growth.

Torpedo was a term later used for a "thug" or "mobster's muscle guy".

only a hunter thinks this is funny?October 17th, 2013 at 7:17:29 am
I was thinking about how to explain how I feel the better sort of hunter, the kind I like to associate with, still tends to be something of a rule-stretcher, or at least a sympathizer to rule-stretching. Apologies to those who are straight-laced about rules instead, I'm not saying that isnt admirable.

Perhaps this story illustrates.

One of the funniest stories I have heard involves fudging on posted property lines. It is true that it is even funnier if you actually know the people involved, but I find it always gets a big smile and laugh out of any hunter.

Bill and Bob ... not their real names.

Bill was used to slipping over into another property where the property owners never hunt and never seemed to monitor it or ever even show up during season. It was impossible to get permission, but liberties were taken under these circumstances at very low risk.

Bob was more of the strait-laced type but as a matter of investigating game movement lets Bill talk him into going into the property one day. So they are standing there and sure enough here comes a pick-up truck. Bob starts fuming at Bill, but Bill says to him they havent been seen and yells "lay down and put your hunter orange underneath"! Bob has no time to think and does just that; both are now laying down in some thick stuff with orange off. The truck pulls up to within a few yards, somebody gets out, but they get back in and drive off. Bill and Bob hightail off with Bob vowing to never speak to Bill again.

Now, when I heard this story, granting I knew the people, I laughed so hard "ROFL" doesn't even describe it. But would a non-hunter even think it was funny?

October 17th, 2013 at 9:07:52 am
I'd guess "probably not". You kind of need to know the details, the spirit, the feeling of the thing. I doubt desk jockeys could empathize with trespassing; it just doesn't compute.

Now to me, imagining a couple of 40-50 years old men hiding like they're 10 year old boys getting caught in the girls locker room... I giggled =)
October 17th, 2013 at 10:55:36 am
>hiding like they're 10 year old boys getting caught in the girls locker room

Exactly. Grown men here!
October 17th, 2013 at 4:18:36 pm
Oh... I didn't get it. I thought one hunter stayed upright and the other disguised his status as a hunter but lay there in plain sight as if he had just been shot by the hunter.

Its sort of like that woman who screamed every time she heard a hunter fire off a round. Some of those hunters just ran and kept running.
October 18th, 2013 at 2:24:02 am
>I thought one hunter stayed upright

Edited now.

>that woman who screamed every time she heard a hunter fire off a round

that would be creepy!
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