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December 25th, 2015 at 4:09:27 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
Again, I think that's as good as I'm going to get.


What does that mean? You said the Church
would NEVER tell a member not to see a
movie, I was lying. I find that not only did
they do it, a Cardinal did it from the pulpit,
and you have nothing to say?
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December 25th, 2015 at 5:04:25 PM permalink
FrGamble
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I just reviewed my posts and I NEVER said the Church wouldn't tell a member to go to a movie. There are lots of pornographic movies, in fact all of the, that the Church says not to go see. However there is no official banned list of movies by the Church and no one would be automatically condemned to hell if they saw some movie, no matter what the nuns told your HS buddies.

Is it too much to hope for now three things. An apology for continuing to change my words to suit you, an acknowledgement that you were wrong, and an example when you were at anytime right about the Church's teaching.
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December 25th, 2015 at 5:59:53 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
no one would be automatically condemned to hell if they saw some movie


Spellman said from the pulpit that seeing
a condemned movie is a mortal sin. You
want to see the transcript?
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December 25th, 2015 at 6:17:43 PM permalink
FrGamble
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I don't doubt he would say that, but he is not The Church. Are you backing away from your comments about the Church having a list of banned movies that will send you to hell? If it turns out all you are saying is a Cardinal from New York preached about the sinfulness of seeing some unknown movie, then you might very well be correct.
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December 25th, 2015 at 9:42:51 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
I don't doubt he would say that, but he is not The Church. Are you backing away from your comments about the Church having a list of banned movies that will send you to hell? .


Seeing any of the condemned movies sent you
to hell if you didn't ask for forgiveness and get
a priest to take the sin away. That's why they
used the 'getting hit by a truck' example, why take
a chance on hell, just don't see the movie in
the first place. What they were afraid of is not
your soul, but losing your body from the church
ranks because you saw a movie that convinced
you the world is a better place than the church.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
December 26th, 2015 at 7:33:37 AM permalink
FrGamble
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Okay this is sad and absurd to keep this discussion going. It's fairly obvious at this point you cannot find any example of when you were correct about Church teaching and my calling you out was wrong.

You continue to bring up this Catholic group and their movie reviews as somehow the voice of allmighty God and speaking for the Church universal. Your example of getting hit by a truck and automatically going to hell is also bad theology. Now you think that the reason they didn't want people to watch certain movies is not because the content was violent and immoral? I really don't know what to say. God bless you.
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December 26th, 2015 at 9:45:23 AM permalink
Nareed
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I would love to hear an answer to the original question:

God loves you.

So what?

How does that have any effect on my life, even if it were true (which it's not).
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December 26th, 2015 at 9:51:32 AM permalink
Dalex64
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Fyi here is an article which references the "hit by a car" scenario and labeling the watching of banned movies as a mortal sin.

http://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/how-the-catholic-church-controlled-hollywood.php

Quote:
Some priests and a Catholic magazine went so far as to say that watching
any movie was an affront to God and that all films should be avoided,
others simply said that watching certain immoral movies was a mortal sin,
just like murder and adultery, requiring serious penance. If a Catholic saw one of these movies and was then hit and killed by a car on the way home,
his soul would go to hell. It was vital that church-goers know what movies
they shouldn't watch.


From what I have read, the Legion of Decency and its successor(s) were organized and run by officials high in the Catholic church of America, and were telling Hollywood what movies they should or shouldn't make, and telling americans what they should and shouldn't watch, with some high officials labeling the watching of these movies as a mortal sin.

As far as I know, through the decades that this organization which was run by senior american catholics, there was no objection from the Vatican. They may have needed vatican approval or endorsement to form this organization.

So I would have to agree that these movies were in essence banned by "The Catholic Church" and at some point some high catholic officials were telling people their immortal souls were at risk for watching them. If it is the responsibility of senior catholics to tell us the word of god, and they are saying these things, how are ordinary people supposed to know that this isn't the word of god? I wouldn't imagine that you would want them to decide for themselves whether or not to listen and obey the words of the senior members of the american catholic church.
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December 26th, 2015 at 10:11:45 AM permalink
Dalex64
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Here is the Vatican endorsement I thought probably existed.
http://w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_08091957_miranda-prorsus.html
It references an earlier papal encyclical

It basically instructs the national catholic organizations to set up film and television review boards, if they hadn't already done so, and to issue ratings. The Legion of Decency was the American version of this review board.
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December 26th, 2015 at 10:14:16 AM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Dalex64
Fyi here is an article which references the "hit by a car" scenario and labeling the watching of banned movies as a mortal sin.


I had a similar discussion with a Mormon once.

According to her drinking caffeine and alcohol was not forbidden. So then one can drink alcohol and coffee? No, one should not. But it's not a sin, is it? Yes, it is. Then it's forbidden? No, you can do as you will.

It's frustrating.
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