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The constraints of being a Curmudgeon on health and welfare.
| June 28th, 2018 at 2:45:53 PM permalink | |
| SOOPOO Member since: Feb 19, 2014 Threads: 22 Posts: 4175 |
Yep, you got it. Life expectancy is skyrocketting because you started drinking more hibiscus tea. I am sure quality of life has increased dramatically not because of pharmaceutical advances, but because of Ashwaghanda. Thanks for enlightening me. |
| June 28th, 2018 at 7:09:02 PM permalink | |
| Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | I think that is far more an extreme position than I suggested Perhaps it merits a set of sarcasm tags, I don't know. All I do know is the prescribed the drugs, I kept complaining, they never once suggested it might be a reaction to the drugs, kept me on them for years, never apologized, now want me to back on the same drugs, even want me to take a new formulation that will put me at the same nominal dose but a much higher bioavailable dose. Do you really think that is logical or sensinle? |
| June 29th, 2018 at 4:22:11 AM permalink | |
| SOOPOO Member since: Feb 19, 2014 Threads: 22 Posts: 4175 |
I guess I don't know how to put on 'sarcasm tags'. Almost all drugs have side effects that are not what you want. Probably why they are called side effects. If you had a doctor that prescribed you a medicine and he did not discuss the possible side effects with you then he is a bad doctor. But doctors prescribe a drug to treat a defined problem, and the plan is the benefit in tackling that problem exceeds the risk of the side effect. As you have found out, that is not always true. And if your doctor ignores your tales of woe then you need to find a different doctor. I have diabetes. I think I am still a work in progress. I try a new medicine, see how it makes me feel, what it does to my 'numbers', and then my doctor and I either keep the status quo or make adjustments. That is what a 'doctor-patient relationship' is supposed to be. |
| June 29th, 2018 at 7:28:24 AM permalink | |
| odiousgambit Member since: Oct 28, 2012 Threads: 154 Posts: 5108 | I don't know who's side to take here plus I don't want to tick off the other guy if I did I will say I have run into certain doctors and heard tales of other doctors who seem to feel the good they can do amounts to being a good drug prescriber . When I have a new doctor I make a point of telling them I am on no drugs and want to keep it that way; if they don't seem to like that statement, I don't go back. I am also aware of the huge effort the drug companies and reps make to influence doctors [I have a brother who is a doctor] On the other hand I have little respect for much of 'alternative medicine' ... think of Steve Jobs - a guy who went for that instead of modern treatments for cancer - even refused surgery to remove a tumor. OK, so I probably made both of you mad at me I'm Still Standing, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah [it's an old guy chant for me] |
| June 29th, 2018 at 7:42:12 AM permalink | |
| kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4515 |
You didn't make me mad odiousgambit as you perfectly described by medical position and conversations with my doctor. "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
| June 29th, 2018 at 8:24:21 AM permalink | |
| Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | It is not a matter of taking sides, it is a matter of marshalling what evidence you see on each side of issue and choosing to carefully weigh those facts without prejudice that is important. >>>> When I have a new doctor I make a point of telling them >>>>I am on no drugs and want to keep it that way; A marvelous attitude to take. >>>> I have little respect for much of 'alternative medicine' I have little respect and much contempt for it. >>>>OK, so I probably made both of you mad at me While I am hesitant to speak for Dr. Soopoo, I do assume that he is impressed by your ability to see various aspects of an issue to arrive at a reasoned conclusion. I do so hope that in consulting fellow physicians Dr. Soopoo is possessed of a reading knowledge of ancient Uzbek and is able to consider the advice of Abdullah, Servant of Allah and Commander of the Believers who would recommend kala jeera and bunium bulbocastanum. |
| June 29th, 2018 at 12:53:00 PM permalink | |
| SOOPOO Member since: Feb 19, 2014 Threads: 22 Posts: 4175 | I can assure all I am mad at no one because of statements made in this thread. I hate taking medicines myself. But while many of you think most doctors are in the pockets of big pharma, I think it is only a very low percentage that actually prescribe a drug because they are benefiting from it, not the patient. |
| June 29th, 2018 at 1:03:25 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
My doc has tried to switch my meds. I have gout and have taken Allopurinol for 20 years. It works great. 2 years ago a new gout drug came out that was way more expensive than the one I'm on, and it couldn't work any better because this one works fine. He had no reason to switch me other than he somehow benefited from it. I asked him what his reasoning was, and he said less side effects. I said what side effects, 20 years and I've had none. He does the same with antibiotics. Always tries to give me the big one, the one made by Bayer. It has a ton of side effects, one of which is blindness. Bayer is constantly paying off class action lawsuits on this drug, yet it's still the most prescribed one in the world. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| June 29th, 2018 at 2:29:17 PM permalink | |
| Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | It is true that Allopurinol is an extremely low risk drug. Virtually no adverse reactions and almost impossible for you to take an overdose even with intent to do so. The switch might merely make his profile more attractive to some manufacturer since as his prescriptions go up so does his reputation with them. Beware however that if you are ever Rx'd something like furosemide, a so-called water pill, your dosage of allopurinol must be increased for it to have the same effect on you. |
| June 29th, 2018 at 2:39:35 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
I take hydrochlorothiazide for a water pill. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |