Reincarnation
April 28th, 2015 at 6:28:47 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | I think someone could say you accept it because it fits your worldview. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
April 29th, 2015 at 10:54:49 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
I accept it because the evidence points there fairly conclusively. Some people are reincarnated, maybe we all are. I accept that tobacco can cause cancer in some people because there's hard evidence that says so. I don't accept there is a god because no evidence shows there is. It's unknown why many drugs work, but when evidence shows they do work for most people, we use them. Never ignore something if scientific evidence points to it. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 29th, 2015 at 3:33:24 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 | All people far smarter than anybody on this forum: Benjamin Franklin "I look upon death to be as necessary to the constitution as sleep. We shall rise refreshed in the morning." And, "Finding myself to exist in the world, I believe I shall, in some shape or other always exist." Walt Whitman "I know I am deathless. No doubt I have died myself ten thousand times before. I laugh at what you call dissolution, and I know the amplitude of time." Socrates "I am confident that there truly is such a thing as living again, that the living spring from the dead, and that the souls of the dead are in existence." Arthur Schopenhauer (Philosopher) "Were an Asiatic to ask me for a definition of Europe, I should be forced to answer him: It is that part of the world which is haunted by the incredible delusion that man was created out of nothing, and that his present birth is his first entrance into life." If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 29th, 2015 at 6:23:26 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Very good advice. I have yet to see any scientific evidence that even remotely hints towards reincarnation much less conclusively so. Maybe you can enlighten me. By the way, plenty of scientific evidence points to the universe having a beginning. I also like most of the quotes from the famous smart people you posted. I think they show that we know instinctively that we will live forever and that our longing for perfection, love, and justice will all be fulfilled. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
April 29th, 2015 at 6:57:56 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Not will you ever, no evidence will ever satisfy you or the Church. Galileo had a mountain of scientific evidence he had complied using his telescope and complicated math, that the earth and the known planets revolved around the sun. The Church dismissed this evidence with a wave of it's hypocritical hand and ordered Galileo to never speak of it or write of it again. So we know how the church deals with evidence not to it's liking, and reincarnation shakes the very foundation of what the Church believes in. Interesting that 25% of Americans say they believe in reincarnation, even higher in some European countries. A good percentage of these have to be Catholics, probably the same ones that use birth control and go to confession once every 10 years. The 'bad' Catholics. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 30th, 2015 at 11:39:59 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 | In the 80's Dr Stevenson met with a high ranking swami in the Ramakrishna tradition. The swami asked what Stevenson was doing in India, and Stevenson said he was doing scientific research to see if reincarnation was true. The swami sat for a very long time and finally said, 'Yes, reincarnation is true. But it doesn't make any difference if people know it or not, we have just as many scoundrels in India as they do in the West.' He's saying that people of India all believe they are reborn, and it doesn't change them, they still do what they want, just like people who don't believe. He's looking at it from a religious viewpoint, like all spiritual leaders he wants people to wake up and realize the path of peace, non violence, charity and giving is the only path that leads to true harmony. They don't want to do that if they think they're born once, or a hundred times. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 30th, 2015 at 3:45:48 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 | The worst thing to do is connect reincarnation to a religious belief. It's no more supernatural than birth is, it's just as natural as anything else we do. Of course religious people, like Hindus and Buddhists, have latched onto it and make it a pivotal part of their beliefs. They don't know why people are reincarnated, so it must be because we're spiritually 'not done' when we die, and need to come back to keep going in the religion. They have no evidence that this is true, but just like Christians, they think they see something that's not there, and make up whole religions around it. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 1st, 2015 at 12:31:58 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 | It's hard to ignore stories like this when you see the expert research that's been done in the area of reincarnation. http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=132381 If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 3rd, 2015 at 12:05:20 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 | It's interesting that in not a single case of the thousands of cases investigated by the team at UofV, not one involved a kid who remembered being anything but human in a past life. Not even in the cases where they didn't have enough info to do an investigation. It's interesting because the religions who believe in reincarnation all believe we can be reborn as animals and even insects. This never made sense to me, which is why I never bought into that brand of reincarnation. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 13th, 2015 at 3:57:00 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 | Just found out a good friend I haven't seen in 30 years died in 2009. He was a drinker and went thru the windshield of his car in the 80's and was in a wheelchair from then on. My first thought was, I wonder if he's back yet. For 20 years I've noticed that nobody ever talks about those who've passed away like they're concerned about them. "I hope uncle Bill didn't go to hell, I'm very concerned about him." Never heard it on TV or in a movie, or heard somebody say it. It's like people instinctively know things continue on when somebody dies, they know everything is fine. It's the religions of the world that sow the seed of doubt in us. That convince people this life is all you get, you better lean on their advice if you want a hope at what comes next. Religion does a great disservice to humanity by scaring people, all so the religious leaders can be elevated to a position of power. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |