Reincarnation

Quote: Evenbob

Surely you have evidence it's not true? If it
happened once, logic dictates it could happen
again.

Ha, do you have evidence there is no God?

Where did your stance about evidence go? You are a hypocrite. Sometimes demanding hard scientific evidence and when presented with it denying such is evidence. Then when confronted with evidence you can't deny you claim you don't need evidence, the lack of evidence all of the sudden becomes the proof.

By the way logic does not dictate that because something happened once it could happen again. How do you figure that?

Quote: FrGamble

Ha, do you have evidence there is no God?

Ha, you can't prove a negative.

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Then when confronted with evidence you can't deny you claim you don't need evidence, the lack of evidence all of the sudden becomes the proof.

I was being IRONIC, went right over your head.
How many times have you said that to me, so
to be IRONIC, I said it back.

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By the way logic does not dictate that because something happened once it could happen again.

So it's illogical to say if it happened once,
it could happen again? Are you sure you
want that to be your stance?

So just to be clear you admit there is no evidence for multiple big bangs and that the evidence does point towards the idea that the universe was created, but your only argument is that it happened once so it could happen again? Pretty strong stuff there Bob (oh, and I am being IRONIC).

Quote: FrGamble

the evidence does point towards the idea that the universe was created, ).

What evidence? Hawking says because of
gravity, the big bang could of absolutely
happened on its own, no creator involved.
It's one of the reasons he's an atheist.

"Our universe didn't need any divine help to burst into being...
M-theory posits that multiple universes are created out of
nothing, Hawking explained, with many possible histories
and many possible states of existence."

What's funny is, when Hawking was publishing
papers in the 80's about the big bang, "Pope
John Paul II admonished the scientific establishment
against studying the moment of creation, as it was holy."

Ah, the good old Church, ever on the forefront
of science and discovery. “I was glad not to be thrown
into an inquisition,” Hawking joked. Indeed..

Quote: Evenbob

What evidence? Hawking says because of
gravity, the big bang could of absolutely
happened on its own, no creator involved.

I don't think he is trying to say that gravity can make something come from nothing. By the way even though I do accept evidence from authority, I thought you rejected such evidence as not hard scientific evidence.

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"Our universe didn't need any divine help to burst into being...
M-theory posits that multiple universes are created out of
nothing, Hawking explained, with many possible histories
and many possible states of existence."

Anytime anyone mentions multiple universes think science fiction, because that is all that it is - that and wishful thinking.

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What's funny is, when Hawking was publishing
papers in the 80's about the big bang, "Pope
John Paul II admonished the scientific establishment
against studying the moment of creation, as it was holy."

I would like to see a source quoting JPII for this, because I have only known him to support the sciences.

Quote: FrGamble

I don't think he is trying to say that gravity can make something come from nothing.

That's what he said, almost in those words.

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Anytime anyone mentions multiple universes think science fiction, because that is all that it is - that and wishful thinking.

So you've reduced Hawking the 'wishful
thinking'. How Roman Catholic of you.

Experts don't trust regression hypnosis because
who can know if it's real or the person is making
it up. Or not even aware they're making it up.

With the strong evidence for reincarnation gotten
in the last 50 years from children, we have to
assume that a certain percentage of stories from
regression hypnosis are true. Even if it's just
25%, with all the 10's of thousands of sessions
that have been done for decades all over the
world, 25% would be a very high number.

It's something that can't be ignored. Eventually,
religions like Mormonism and Christianity will
have to find a way to weave it into their teachings,
if they want to remain relevant. In 2009 Pew
Research says 22% of Christians already believe
in reincarnation, some recent studies say it's up
to 25% today. It's a trend the Church will have
to embrace, the truth about reincarnation is out
there and people are paying attention.

http://www.pewforum.org/2009/12/09/many-americans-mix-multiple-faiths/

Look how powerful god was 500 years ago.
The god myth ran Europe and half of Asia.
As science progressed, the god myth became
less and less meaningful. Science will eventually
render it a quaint and useless part of human
history. It's inevitable when you try and make
god take the place of reason.

The Eastern religions never made that mistake.
God never competes with science and always
takes a back seat to spirituality. The big mistake
Christians made was, making assumptions about
how the world works, getting it 100% wrong,
and declaring it infallible truth. They're still
fighting the ramifications of that to this day.

You can't handle the fact that Christianity is based on real historical truth. You also can't stand the fact that Christianity offers explanations as to the nature of humanity that are spot on. You continue to pretend that science is somehow at odds with the Church and that faith is not based on reason. I am amazed that someone still thinks like you do.

Quote: FrGamble

You continue to pretend that science is somehow at odds with the Church .

There is one reason and one reason
only that the Church has lost virtually
all it's power in the world. Science.
It moved us forward and the Church
didn't keep up. Islam has the same
problem, they wish it was still the
12th century. For religions that have
conversions as one of their core
beliefs, power is everything.

That's why the Eastern religions have
no crisis of faith, science hasn't changed
them a bit. They don't depend on
convincing people of anything, in fact
they could care less what you believe.
They don't want you as a convert, they
aren't in competition for your business.

The conversion religions, Islam, Christianity,
and Mormonism, are in the religion
business, they have to keep up with the
times. Eastern religions are spiritual, they
feed your soul, not your ego.