Science and God

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May 26th, 2015 at 3:53:21 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Lets say the science revolution started in
the 1500's, or at least geared up at that
time. If a personal creator god was the
moving force in the universe, the
undeniable truth, scientific discoveries
should all point in that direction, the
evidence by now should be overwhelming.

But it isn't. Science doesn't disprove god,
but it sure doesn't support it. I find this
very odd. Something so big, so overwhelming,
so 'everything' as god, and science is
still scratching it's head. In fact, the lack of
evidence is so glaring, god believers will
grasp at the slightest hint of proof.

It shouldn't be that way. When something exists,
gravity for instance, they can prove it a hundred
different ways. Because it really does exist,
it can be proven to exist. Obviously god does not
exist or we would be under a mountain of scientific,
repeatable tests that show god's reality.

And we're not.
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May 26th, 2015 at 6:40:56 PM permalink
FrGamble
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There is a mountain of scientific evidence that the universe had a beginning and was created. What you want is science to prove it was God who created everything, but this is beyond the scope of science. Science points out that the universe came into existence. Christians say this makes perfect sense according to our theology and many other religions say the same thing. Some very smart scientists like Hawkins talks about creation coming from the Law of Gravity. Make no doubt about it this is a secular impersonal force he is proposing for the concept of God. Science has done its job by pointing out that the universe has a beginning. Now it is up to theologians, philosophers, and ourselves to determine who or what the creator of all things is.
May 26th, 2015 at 7:54:51 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
There is a mountain of scientific evidence that the universe had a beginning and was created.


I always have to stop you right there.
There is evidence the universe had
an origin, not a creator. There is
zero evidence of a creator. Origin
and creation are not even in the
same ballpark. And that's just
this universe, what about the
strong possibilities of parallel
universes. Until actual evidence
is found that the origin is a creation,
you can't use the word. Leaps of
faith and logic are not part of science.
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May 27th, 2015 at 8:03:50 AM permalink
Mosca
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Science doesn't need a god. Why does God so badly need science?
May 27th, 2015 at 11:43:30 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Mosca
Science doesn't need a god. Why does God so badly need science?


Excellent point. Pretend you control just about
everything in the civilized world in 1500. Then
here comes science over the centuries to slowly
debunk a lot of your major tenets. Science isn't
going away, so you have to team up. There is
no god, people want you to prove ridiculous
statements like you made in the past, like the
earth is the center of the universe, so you have
no choice.
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May 27th, 2015 at 4:39:29 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Mosca
Science doesn't need a god. Why does God so badly need science?


Because the stakes are higher with God. Science is observing and understanding the physical world around us. When you start talking philosophy or religion you are extending your reason beyond the limits of the physical world. Science is the sure foundation or the launching pad from which reason can blast off into the unknown. If your philosophy or religion is not supported by science (I'm looking at you Mormons) then you're foundation is off kilter and you might blast off in the wrong direction.
May 27th, 2015 at 4:43:25 PM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: FrGamble
Science has done its job by pointing out that the universe has a beginning. Now it is up to theologians, philosophers, and ourselves to determine who or what the creator of all things is.


Why is it anybody's job? Why can't we just accept that we don't know everything.
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May 27th, 2015 at 5:48:35 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
If your philosophy or religion is not supported by science... then your foundation is off kilter .


So what part of the virgin birth, walking
on water, turning water into wine, raising
the dead, dying at a public execution and
coming back to life and hanging out with
your friends for 40 days, what part of any
of that is 'supported by science'? I took
science classes in HS and college and don't
remember chapters on any of that.
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May 27th, 2015 at 5:57:01 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Wizard
Why is it anybody's job? Why can't we just accept that we don't know everything.


Exactly. We don't do what FrG is saying
with anything else. When we discovered
that we could build planes that fly, we
kept going with the science until we knew
exactly the mathematical reasons that
flight worked, and could be repeated over
and over and over.

If we have questions about the origins of
the universe, science has taught us to be
patient, keep working, we'll find the answer
eventually. Religion wants us to jump to
a whole bunch of unsubstantiated conclusions
and accept them as truth. Like those people
at Jamestown did. They bought Jim Jones
story and ended up drinking the poisoned
Koolaid.

No thanks..
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May 27th, 2015 at 6:05:26 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: FrGamble
If your philosophy or religion is not supported by science (I'm looking at you Mormons) then you're foundation is off kilter and you might blast off in the wrong direction.


(You're not looking widely around enough)
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