Science and God
May 26th, 2015 at 3:53:21 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 | Lets say the science revolution started in the 1500's, or at least geared up at that time. If a personal creator god was the moving force in the universe, the undeniable truth, scientific discoveries should all point in that direction, the evidence by now should be overwhelming. But it isn't. Science doesn't disprove god, but it sure doesn't support it. I find this very odd. Something so big, so overwhelming, so 'everything' as god, and science is still scratching it's head. In fact, the lack of evidence is so glaring, god believers will grasp at the slightest hint of proof. It shouldn't be that way. When something exists, gravity for instance, they can prove it a hundred different ways. Because it really does exist, it can be proven to exist. Obviously god does not exist or we would be under a mountain of scientific, repeatable tests that show god's reality. And we're not. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 26th, 2015 at 6:40:56 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | There is a mountain of scientific evidence that the universe had a beginning and was created. What you want is science to prove it was God who created everything, but this is beyond the scope of science. Science points out that the universe came into existence. Christians say this makes perfect sense according to our theology and many other religions say the same thing. Some very smart scientists like Hawkins talks about creation coming from the Law of Gravity. Make no doubt about it this is a secular impersonal force he is proposing for the concept of God. Science has done its job by pointing out that the universe has a beginning. Now it is up to theologians, philosophers, and ourselves to determine who or what the creator of all things is. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 26th, 2015 at 7:54:51 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
I always have to stop you right there. There is evidence the universe had an origin, not a creator. There is zero evidence of a creator. Origin and creation are not even in the same ballpark. And that's just this universe, what about the strong possibilities of parallel universes. Until actual evidence is found that the origin is a creation, you can't use the word. Leaps of faith and logic are not part of science. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 27th, 2015 at 8:03:50 AM permalink | |
Mosca Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 22 Posts: 730 | Science doesn't need a god. Why does God so badly need science? |
May 27th, 2015 at 11:43:30 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Excellent point. Pretend you control just about everything in the civilized world in 1500. Then here comes science over the centuries to slowly debunk a lot of your major tenets. Science isn't going away, so you have to team up. There is no god, people want you to prove ridiculous statements like you made in the past, like the earth is the center of the universe, so you have no choice. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 27th, 2015 at 4:39:29 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Because the stakes are higher with God. Science is observing and understanding the physical world around us. When you start talking philosophy or religion you are extending your reason beyond the limits of the physical world. Science is the sure foundation or the launching pad from which reason can blast off into the unknown. If your philosophy or religion is not supported by science (I'm looking at you Mormons) then you're foundation is off kilter and you might blast off in the wrong direction. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 27th, 2015 at 4:43:25 PM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 |
Why is it anybody's job? Why can't we just accept that we don't know everything. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |
May 27th, 2015 at 5:48:35 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
So what part of the virgin birth, walking on water, turning water into wine, raising the dead, dying at a public execution and coming back to life and hanging out with your friends for 40 days, what part of any of that is 'supported by science'? I took science classes in HS and college and don't remember chapters on any of that. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 27th, 2015 at 5:57:01 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Exactly. We don't do what FrG is saying with anything else. When we discovered that we could build planes that fly, we kept going with the science until we knew exactly the mathematical reasons that flight worked, and could be repeated over and over and over. If we have questions about the origins of the universe, science has taught us to be patient, keep working, we'll find the answer eventually. Religion wants us to jump to a whole bunch of unsubstantiated conclusions and accept them as truth. Like those people at Jamestown did. They bought Jim Jones story and ended up drinking the poisoned Koolaid. No thanks.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 27th, 2015 at 6:05:26 PM permalink | |
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