Science and God
May 27th, 2015 at 6:37:52 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
You're right. (I'm looking at you too atheists) “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 27th, 2015 at 6:43:41 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
(I have a mirror you can borrow any time.) Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
May 27th, 2015 at 6:43:59 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
You can be patient until the cows come home but science will never find the answer to some of the biggest and most important questions about the origins of the universe. This is not a slight against science just a simple acknowledgement of its limitations. Before there was space, time, energy there is nothing to observe or test. To answer these questions we need other tools and thank God we have them in the fields of the arts, philosophy and theology. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 27th, 2015 at 8:09:30 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Sure it will, nothing is a secret. For most of our history nature was was referred to as secretive. Natures secrets, nature won't give up its secrets. What have we discovered about nature in the last hundred years, just about everything. The planet doubles it's knowledge every couple of years now. Religion loves secrets and abhors facts. One of the recent popes even said awhile back that we shouldn't look into the origin of the universe. 'The Pope (Paul II) told the physicists they should not inquire into the Big Bang itself because that was “the work of God.” Stephen W. Hawking, in his A Brief History of Time, reported that he was among those physicists whom the Pope privately addressed. He wrote: "I was glad then that he did not know the subject of the talk I had just given at the conference—the possibility that space-time was finite but had no boundary, which means that it had no beginning, no moment of Creation." The Church loves science as long as it supports their beliefs. When it doesn't we're just supposed to stay away, that's the 'work of god'. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 28th, 2015 at 6:23:05 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
This is one possibility. On the other hand, religion has yet to find any actual answers to anything, besides the riddles it makes up itself.
Or Ouija boards, tarot cards, horoscopes and tea leaves (leafs??). Arts and philosophy have their place and their uses, but divining the origins of the universe isn't one of them. Theology is as useful in this endeavor as a screen door in a submarine. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
May 28th, 2015 at 6:49:45 AM permalink | |
Mosca Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 22 Posts: 730 |
As an explanation of my question, that doesn't make any sense. In the first part of your answer you specifically posit that philosophy and religion are beyond the limits of science, and in the second part of your answer you state that they must be within the limits of science, or else be invalid. You're better off stating that none of it matters and that you believe what you believe. Christianity is no more valid than Mormonism to me. It's based on miracles. Miracles are not explainable by science. Therefore they cannot be an on-kilter foundation from which to blast off in the right direction. |
May 28th, 2015 at 6:50:59 AM permalink | |
Mosca Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 22 Posts: 730 |
You were right, "leaves". |
May 28th, 2015 at 6:58:32 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Thanks. I got a case of "this doesn't look right, but neither does the alternative." Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
May 28th, 2015 at 11:28:34 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Yes! That's what Christians used to say 50 years ago, before they got all hung up in science. I can understand that, a person believing something for a religion, I actually respect it. But when they start mocking actual science, and declaring their beliefs have a rock solid basis in science, they have to be challenged. They had it way too good for way too long. Their beliefs went unchallenged by science for a thousand years. They want those times back.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 28th, 2015 at 8:03:43 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
What I was trying to say is that science is important to theology like the foundation of a tower reaching to the heavens is important. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |