Science and God

Quote: Evenbob

Deader than a door-nail is, I believe,
the proper way to phrase that.

What is a door-nail?

Quote: Wizard

What is a door-nail?

It's from the 14th century.

'Doornails are the large-headed studs that were used in earlier times for strength and more recently as decoration.'

Quote: FrGamble

I've known for awhile it's a thought based on nothing.

You didn't learn that in seminary.

Quote: Evenbob

You didn't learn that in seminary.

Not really. It was later in really thinking and praying over the idea of atheism that I realized how empty it was and devoid of not only evidence, but logic and coherent thought as well. For what it's worth our discussions here have helped as well. I don't mean that as a slight. You are found of reminding me that atheism is nothing. Many on the forum seem content with this and just accept atheism blindly and accuse anyone who questions it as circular reasoning or a slew of other logical fallacies.

Quote: FrGamble

atheism that I realized how empty it was and devoid of not only evidence, but logic and coherent thought as well. You are found of reminding me that atheism is nothing..

YES!!! Progress!! It's empty and devoid because
there is nothing to fill it with. How can there be
coherent thought about nothing? I said before,
the only way an atheist can discuss god is in
reference to religion. Otherwise there's nothing
to discuss. It's like talking about the vacuum of space.
The only way is to discuss what's in the vacuum
sometimes, stars and planets. The vacuum of space
is nothing, just like god. Standing on it's own, how
do you discuss nothing, without context.

Quote: FrGamble

Not really. It was later in really thinking and praying over the idea of atheism that I realized how empty it was and devoid of not only evidence, but logic and coherent thought as well.

It's so sad to watch a human mind descend into bigotry.

Quote: Nareed

It's so sad to watch a human mind descend into bigotry.

I don't think FrG is bigoted now. He's just
realizing it's not possible to be logical and
coherent when trying to explain the non
existence of something. Atheists can only
coherently discuss god when it's done in
the framework of religion. When someone
takes the positive side of the argument,
and we take the negative side.

When I discuss atheism with my friend the
ex priest, it's always in the context of
religion. There would be nothing to talk
about otherwise, how do you discuss
something that isn't real.

"I don't believe a god exists."

"Me neither."

End of conversation.

The Skepticism blogs are a gold mine from time to time. I'm still reading this, but it's enthralling:

http://evolvingthoughts.net/2008/09/rodney_starks_idiotic_history/

It's a crisis! Gay priests are using science
to hook up with each other for sex. Why
doesn't the Church just admit it can't win and
leave the Gays alone. Let nature take
it's natural course.

Church Leaders Hold Crisis Talks Held Over Fears Trainee Catholic Priests Using Gay Dating app Grindr


http://www.itv.com/news/2016-08-24/crisis-talks-held-over-fears-trainee-catholic-priests-using-gay-dating-app-grindr/

Here is a great article from the New York Times:

Miracles Medical and Religious