Science and God
May 29th, 2015 at 3:53:43 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Yes. Like bathing is evil, it leads to pride. The earth is flat. The earth is the center of the universe. Evolution is 100% wrong. Disease is caused by Satan and his minions. Contraception is wrong. Stem cell research is wrong. And now the Pope has endorsed Global Warming, the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the world. The Church seems to suck at guessing.
The researchers themselves say it. Ian Stephenson says it. He said the research doesn't prove reincarnation, but the empirical evidence certainly points in that direction. Just what Galileo said about his theory. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 29th, 2015 at 3:53:50 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | I think we should clarify what we trying to justify. I'm talking about a creator or creating force, be it the flying spaghetti monster or a divine clockmaker. What I am saying is that by human reason alone aided by the gift of science a thinking person can and should reach the conclusion that there is a creator of some kind. Who and what this creator "god" is becomes a question for theology, aided by credible revelation and other evidence. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 29th, 2015 at 3:59:31 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
I think the best all-time alternate history with time travel story would involve infiltrating the early church apologists and teaching them Aristotle. Even better, teach them science. Best of all, expunge Plato from their minds (hmm, so K and J and a worm take a neutralizer and a time machine....) Too bad I'd never write it. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
May 29th, 2015 at 4:13:59 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | I always debate even answering your often inane and incorrect statements first because you don't really listen and secondly because they may take us too far afield and end up alienating the other posters on this thread. Nevertheless I can't seem to correct a few things here.
Absolutely ridiculous and has never been taught.
It is amazing how early most people knew the Earth was round, anyway I am convinced you know little more than myths surrounding the Galileo case.
The Church certainly doesn't teach this.
An idea refuted by Jesus Himself.
Look at the divorce rate, infidelity, prevalence of pornography, unwanted pregnancies, and abortions since contraception. Not to mention the serious concerns about the safety of the pill.
Only that which destroys a human embryo. Adult stem cells, which are the only kind that has every helped a human being, or stem cells obtained from many other sources or techniques are encouraged by the Church.
It seems pretty clear that we have to care for this beautiful Earth God gave us. The Pope is addressing not global warming per se but respect for the environment as a pro-life issue. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 29th, 2015 at 4:15:41 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Seriously, that would be like a department of Star Trek studies in a university.
Yes, it does. But such studies fall into other categories: philosophy, politics, psychology, sociology, etc. Star Trek, too, has had a great deal of influence on society (mostly in America), from the cultish fandom to people who go into science or the military because of it. This, too, may be worthy of study. But a Trek studies department would be too much. If this trikes you as flippant, then let me make another example: ideologies can have a great deal of influence on culture, politics, societies, etc. We study ideologies in philosophy, history and politics, not in a separate discipline. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
May 29th, 2015 at 4:45:41 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
I'm reminded of a not-so-good Futurama episode. At one point the gang confronts a superstitious robot. While the Professor does his best to disprove the robot's points, he winds up saying defiantly "I choose to believe what I was programmed to believe!" Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
May 29th, 2015 at 5:45:56 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
I never said the Church taught any of it. But it's certainly ideas the Church held at one time, and these ideas had a big influence on it. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 29th, 2015 at 6:12:02 PM permalink | |
Mosca Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 22 Posts: 730 |
It's turtles, all the way down. |
May 29th, 2015 at 7:19:33 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Here we go again. Based on what? Why go looking for something there is no evidence of? Science did go looking for god when it studied prayer groups. The first was in 1888, and every one since then has found the same thing. Prayer seems to have no real world effect on anything. It's a vast waste of time. God has a great sales force, unfortunately there's no product to sell. It's the Music Man selling his imaginary band to the true believers. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 30th, 2015 at 8:58:10 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | So you would believe in and love God only if it was shown that he would answer prayers on your whim and become your personal genie? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |