Science and God

Quote: FrGamble

I'm curious as to when science and scripture have ever been against each other. They both have the same author, I don't see how they could be against each other.

Odd you should post that on the northern hemisphere's Winter Solstice ... you may recall Copernicus and the Church had a few differences of opinion.

You mean the Catholic cleric Copernicus? I think he was pretty good with the Church.

Quote: FrGamble

I'm curious as to when science and scripture have ever been against each other.

Why do you say silly things. You know
darn well the Church was at war with
science.

"During most of the 16th and 17th centuries, fear of heretics spreading teachings and opinions that contradicted the Bible dominated the Catholic Church. They persecuted scientists who formed theories the Church deemed heretical and forbade people from reading any books on those subjects by placing the books on the Index of Prohibited Books. A type of war between science and religion was in play but there would be more casualties on the side of science... Nicholas Copernicus and Galileo Galilei were two scientists who printed books that later became banned. Copernicus faced no persecution when he was alive because he died shortly after publishing his book. Galileo, on the other hand, was tried by the Inquisition after his book was published. Both scientists held the same theory that the Earth revolved around the sun, a theory now known to be true. However, the Church disapproved of this theory because the Holy Scriptures state that the Earth is at the center, not the Sun."

http://www.inquiriesjournal.com/articles/533/copernicus-galileo-and-the-church-science-in-a-religious-world

Quote: FrGamble

I'm curious as to when science and scripture have ever been against each other. They both have the same author, I don't see how they could be against each other.

The church accepted the scientific view of the day that the sun and the planets revolved around the earth and have had egg on their face for it ever since. that is the most blatant example.

Quote: FrGamble

I'm curious as to when science and scripture have ever been against each other.

Since there's been science.

Here's a more interesting question:

If the Bible's god id real, omnipotent, omnibenevolent, etc., how come the Orange Man won the election? what did the world do to piss him off?

And why are the Cowboys winning?

To the latter, you may claim a deal with Satan, but I don't think he would stoop so low.

Quote: pew

The church accepted the scientific view of the day that the sun and the planets revolved around the earth and have had egg on their face for it ever since. that is the most blatant example.

The important thing to note in your post above is that the Church accepted the scientific view of the day. It fit well with the notion of the obvious special place humanity holds in God's creation - that is really the point of the Scriptural accounts of creation. Heliocentrism does not reject the notion of man's special place in the cosmos and when it was shown to be clearly not against Scripture and scientifically verifiable it was of course accepted. The whole Galileo debacle was NOT about the Church being anti-Scientific. Don't believe the myths. It was about prideful people not getting along and about grudges and trying to outshine and embarrass each other. There is not a single instance where science and faith disagree, they can't because they both have the same author.

Quote: FrGamble

Heliocentrism does not reject the notion of man's special place in the cosmos and when it was shown to be clearly not against Scripture and scientifically verifiable it was of course accepted.

So when Jehovah stopped the Sun to help Joshua take down some Canaanites, and given the Sun does not revolve around the Earth, it had no effect on the Eagles beating the Giants?

Seriously, if your god is merciful, why doesn't he stop the Cowboys from clinching their division?

Quote: Nareed

Seriously, if your god is merciful, why doesn't he stop the Cowboys from clinching their division?

Because He is not interested in the results, only in the Line.

Quote: FrGamble

The important thing to note in your post above is that the Church accepted the scientific view of the day. It fit well with the notion of the obvious special place humanity holds in God's creation - that is really the point of the Scriptural accounts of creation. Heliocentrism does not reject the notion of man's special place in the cosmos and when it was shown to be clearly not against Scripture and scientifically verifiable it was of course accepted. The whole Galileo debacle was NOT about the Church being anti-Scientific. Don't believe the myths. It was about prideful people not getting along and about grudges and trying to outshine and embarrass each other. There is not a single instance where science and faith disagree, they can't because they both have the same author.

I agree with your post. The egg on their face is the poor witness shown by having to be dragged into the correct view against their will. Scientists were wrong but the church went with them over scripture which had the correct view all along which is why they should be careful about endorsing the scientific consensus of the day today whether it's evolutionary theory, big bang , global warming ect.

Quote: FrGamble

The important thing to note in your post above is that the Church accepted the scientific view of the day.

That's a mild way of putting it. The Church
taught and enforced the scientific view of
the day, and banned everything that disagreed
with it. And punished those that violated the
ban.