the death of coal?

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June 22nd, 2022 at 4:33:19 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Lucky they didn't tear down their coal fired plants.

One of the reasons that there have been huge improvements in electricity generation from renewals is that the total use of electricity in the US and CA has remained relatively unchanged since 2000.

In California the year 2000 was the rolling blackouts . Gray Davis had been governor since January 4, 1999 and the blackouts led to him being recalled on November 17, 2003 leading to Arnold Schwarzenegger until January 3, 2011; Jerry Brown until January 7, 2019, and Gavin Newsom as current governor. Rolling blackouts recurred in summer of 2020, but it didn't bring down the Governor.

If something were to threaten CA natural gas supply, they might throw out their environmental restrictions. Keep in mind that one of the reasons they have been able to retire so much generating capacity like nuclear and replace it with renewables is the total supply of electricity has not been increasing for decades. If there is a significant new demand, like EVs, it might not be so easy. Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant which is slated to retire in 2025, is by a manitude of 6x, the largest generators in California.


California electric use where year 2000 is defined to be 100%
100% 2000
96% 2001
98% 2002
100% 2003
103% 2004
103% 2005
106% 2006
109% 2007
110% 2008
106% 2009
104% 2010
105% 2011
108% 2012
106% 2013
106% 2014
106% 2015
104% 2016
104% 2017
102% 2018
99% 2019
97% 2020
99% 2021
July 1st, 2022 at 11:59:05 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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President is none to happy with SCOTUS these days.

Quote: Statement by President Joe Biden on Supreme Court Ruling on West Virginia v. EPA

JUNE 30, 2022

The Supreme Courtís ruling in West Virginia vs. EPA is another devastating decision that aims to take our country backwards. While this decision risks damaging our nationís ability to keep our air clean and combat climate change, I will not relent in using my lawful authorities to protect public health and tackle the climate crisis.

I have directed my legal team to work with the Department of Justice and affected agencies to review this decision carefully and find ways that we can, under federal law, continue protecting Americans from harmful pollution, including pollution that causes climate change.

Since the Clean Air Act was passed by a bipartisan majority in Congress in 1970, the landmark law has enabled both Democratic and Republican administrations to protect and improve the air we breathe, cutting air pollution by 78 percent even as our economy quadrupled in size. Yet todayís decision sides with special interests that have waged a long-term campaign to strip away our right to breathe clean air.

We cannot and will not ignore the danger to public health and existential threat the climate crisis poses. The science confirms what we all see with our own eyes Ė the wildfires, droughts, extreme heat, and intense storms are endangering our lives and livelihoods.

I will take action. My Administration will continue using lawful executive authority, including the EPAís legally-upheld authorities, to keep our air clean, protect public health, and tackle the climate crisis. We will work with states and cities to pass and uphold laws that protect their citizens. And we will keep pushing for additional Congressional action, so that Americans can fully seize the economic opportunities, cost-saving benefits, and security of a clean energy future. Together, we will tackle environmental injustice, create good-paying jobs, and lower costs for families building the clean energy economy.

Our fight against climate change must carry forward, and it will.

July 1st, 2022 at 12:49:23 PM permalink
missedhervee
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Quote: Pacomartin
Since the Clean Air Act was passed by a bipartisan majority in Congress in 1970, the landmark law has enabled both Democratic and Republican administrations to protect and improve the air we breathe, cutting air pollution by 78 percent even as our economy quadrupled in size. Yet todayís decision sides with special interests that have waged a long-term campaign to strip away our right to breathe clean air.


Sure, the air got cleaner but the backbone of the USA got much weaker and we are now dependent on foreign powers for much of our heavy industries and manufacturing.

Eliminating most smokestack industries such as steel making shifted the source of said products offshore.

It didn't end the pollution as it is now in those countries and slowly spreads across the world.

Time for a change: loosen the regs, bring back steel, and just suck it up: like em or not, we NEED dirty industries .

Either that of let China et al continue to set the tune .

Let's stop being a service economy and get back to a land of heavy industry.
July 1st, 2022 at 1:00:12 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Pacomartin
President is none to happy with SCOTUS these days.


When SCOTUS is inventing law to let gays marry the Democrats love it. When SCOTUS actually follows the Constitution the Democrats hate it.
The President is a fink.
July 1st, 2022 at 2:27:41 PM permalink
RonC
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Quote: missedhervee
Sure, the air got cleaner but the backbone of the USA got much weaker and we are now dependent on foreign powers for much of our heavy industries and manufacturing.

Eliminating most smokestack industries such as steel making shifted the source of said products offshore.

It didn't end the pollution as it is now in those countries and slowly spreads across the world.

Time for a change: loosen the regs, bring back steel, and just suck it up: like em or not, we NEED dirty industries .

Either that of let China et al continue to set the tune .

Let's stop being a service economy and get back to a land of heavy industry.


The other thing is that we can make laws telling the EPA to do things to curb emissions from plants and other places here in the US. We have only the power of Kerry and his private or government planes to do that in other countries.

Keep getting better at reducing pollution here without killing the economy. Produce things here to help move us through this phase to a greener one. Produce materials to build here. I am not saying be isolationist, but forget a new liberal world order and build a better America or a greater America. We can do better.
July 1st, 2022 at 3:32:35 PM permalink
missedhervee
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The problem is that typically US industries cannot compete with off-shore industries as they can make the same product for less due to cheaper labor costs and looser gov't control.

But yeah, think of all the good jobs we'd have again if industry flourished once more.

Kind of brings a tear to my eye.
July 1st, 2022 at 5:42:11 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: missedhervee
The problem is that it is typically not US industries cannot compete with off-shore industries as they can make the same product for less due to cheaper labor costs and looser gov't control.

But yeah, think of all the good jobs we'd have again if industry flourished once more.

Kind of brings a tear to my eye.


Well, it's proven if you can open a "sweat shop" in a country and chain children to looms you can out produce any American worker. But then I am not the one to say the unregulated free market works. It works no better than the regulations that govern the cheaters.
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July 1st, 2022 at 10:32:07 PM permalink
petroglyph
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https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-regulator-finds-unsafe-conditions-freeport-lng-export-facility-bars-restart-2022-06-30/

Looks like there may be some lng shortages also? Should pair up with the diesel shortage as well?
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