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September 9th, 2015 at 7:39:53 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Thanks for actually getting the information correct and providing a crude but correct interpretation of the facts. We are bound by Tradition and the Word of God and neither give us the authority or example to ordain women.
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September 9th, 2015 at 8:49:38 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
Thanks for actually getting the information correct and providing a crude but correct interpretation of the facts. We are bound by Tradition and the Word of God and neither give us the authority or example to ordain women.


The Church thinks it OK to blame god
(as usual) for their chauvinistic attitude
towards women. Don't you find it odd
that so many religions only let the men
be in charge? Just like we didn't let
women vote till the 20's. God has nothing
to do with any of it, men's ego's will
fight to the last to keep women from
getting equal treatment.
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September 9th, 2015 at 9:42:22 PM permalink
FrGamble
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There is no doubt that men's ego's and woman's ego's will fight to the last to want special treatment and you are right that God has nothing to do with any of it. However, this issue for woman's ordination is not a case of male egos or unequal treatment of women. Maybe you could advance your argument by demonstrating how not being a priest is keeping women from being treated equally? Remember that having different roles, like a father or a mother, is not discriminatory or setting up inequality.
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September 10th, 2015 at 12:27:15 AM permalink
Evenbob
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You say:

Quote: FrGamble
There is no doubt that men's ego's and woman's ego's will fight to the last to want special treatment and you are right that God has nothing to do with any of it.


And then contradict that by saying:

Quote: FrGamble
However, this issue for woman's ordination is not a case of male egos or unequal treatment of women.


Which is it, make up your mind.
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September 10th, 2015 at 1:01:31 PM permalink
Dalex64
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Maybe you could explain how a woman isn't qualified or biologically capable of being a priest.

Is a woman with children not allowed to work either, and the father to stay home instead, since traditionally the mother stays home?
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September 10th, 2015 at 1:26:26 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: FrGamble


There is no doubt that men's ego's and woman's ego's will fight to the last to want special treatment and you are right that God has nothing to do with any of it.


This is a general statement in regards to men and women, basically every human being, often has selfish desires or egos to want special treatment. God instead calls us to serve one another and not to be served.


Quote: FrGamble


However, this issue for woman's ordination is not a case of male egos or unequal treatment of women.


Now dealing with the specific issue of woman's ordination the teaching is not based on ego or selfishness but historical fact. I'm sorry if that post was sloppily written, but I hope you see now there is no contradiction.
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September 10th, 2015 at 1:34:51 PM permalink
Nareed
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Maybe you could explain how a woman isn't qualified or biologically capable of being a priest.


Five will get you ten if you get a straight answer from him in under two days.

The explanation is simple. They're following the dictates of a small group of men who lived 2,000 years ago in a time and place where women had no power at all, and no authority outside their home. And these men liked it just fine. That's the reason. Anything else you hear concerning the matter is rationalization.
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September 10th, 2015 at 1:35:31 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Dalex64
Maybe you could explain how a woman isn't qualified or biologically capable of being a priest.


A woman is absolutely qualified to be a priest, in fact the greatest human being to ever live, Mary, would have been the greatest priest ever, but she nor any other woman was chosen. There is surely nothing that makes a woman biologically incapable of being a priest. There is however the sacramental nature of the priesthood, which is meant to symbolize and represent another Christ in our world today that makes sense to have a male priest.

It really comes down to Scripture and Tradition which clearly show that Jesus choose out of all his disciples 12 men to be Apostles and priests. This practice was maintained unbroken still today in the Catholic Church. Many other denominations recognize the Biblical truth of a male only priesthood. We are following what Jesus did.
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September 10th, 2015 at 3:06:38 PM permalink
Evenbob
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It really comes down to Scripture and Tradition which clearly show that Jesus choose out of all his disciples 12 men to be Apostles and priests. .


Translation: Jesus lived in a time when women had
no rights and were not allowed to hold any positions
of responsibility. Even Paul said to keep your women
quiet in the Church. Women had no rights, and still
don't in the hierarchy of the backward church.

"By the time of Jesus, women no longer had the freedoms and status they had enjoyed in the Old Testament era. Jewish society had become very much male-dominated. Women were considered to be inferior beings and were assigned almost the same status as slaves. They were not educated, not allowed to take any leadership roles, and confined to mostly domestic duties."
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September 10th, 2015 at 7:39:47 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
Translation: Jesus lived in a time when women had
no rights and were not allowed to hold any positions
of responsibility.


Yet Jesus chose women to be His disciples, He ate with them, and treated them as equals. They were the first witnesses of the Resurrection something unheard of in the day and held positions of great responsibility. In a special way the greatest among all the disciples was Mary.


Quote:
"By the time of Jesus, women no longer had the freedoms and status they had enjoyed in the Old Testament era. Jewish society had become very much male-dominated. Women were considered to be inferior beings and were assigned almost the same status as slaves. They were not educated, not allowed to take any leadership roles, and confined to mostly domestic duties."


Jesus in his ministry went against all of this. He also ate with sinners and tax collectors and honored foreigners, all of which was also taboo for the time. Yet when it came time to pick from the disciples, many men and women, He chose only men. If you can figure out why Jesus was so obviously against the culture of His time's treatment of women yet He only chose men to be His priests you have solved the question the Church has wrestled with for some 2,000 years.
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