Catholic Church Collapsing
September 15th, 2015 at 11:06:54 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 | edited If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
September 15th, 2015 at 11:15:43 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 | edited If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
September 15th, 2015 at 11:42:34 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
You've convinced yourself there is no God, but that has no bearing on the fact that there is.
Quite some time ago I debunked this myth and you gave no response, I'm surprised you bring it back up now.
Why are there so many believing scientists then?
That is very unique indeed. I can't think of another case like it.
I think you may be selectively reading and exaggerating. We all do this I guess. There are parts of our American history we are surely not happy about, but we can still be proud to be an American. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
September 16th, 2015 at 12:47:26 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
I see no evidence for a god. Neither do you, so you make some up.
Why aren't they all rabid believers, if science and faith are joined at the hip, as you claim. For you, science and faith are interchangeable, or so you say. Is that why it took the Church 400 years to apologize to Galileo, because they love science so much? How many scientists were burned at the stake for heresy? You make no sense.
LOL, no doubt. You should expand your knowledge a little, some of the most outspoken atheists are former religious leaders. I think you may be selectively reading and exaggerating. We all do this I guess. There are parts of our American history we are surely not happy about, but we can still be proud to be an American. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
September 16th, 2015 at 6:31:30 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
There is evidence for God all around you, all you have to do is open your eyes.
Wow, I really don't know where you are getting this. Science and Faith are very different ways to arrive at truth. Science uses its methods and tools to arrive at truths about the physical world. Faith is utilizing science as well as theology, philosophy, religious teachings and traditions, Sacred Scriptures, and personal experiences to arrive a higher truths.
You do know that the Galileo case was very complicated, but yes mistakes were made all around. Scientists don't get in trouble for doing science, only when they decide to go outside of their realm and claim to have proven or disproved theological truths. Likewise theologians get in trouble when they go outside of their realm and claim that science is right or wrong about this or that because of theology. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
September 16th, 2015 at 1:03:05 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Leprechaun believers say the evidence for them is all around us too, and they can point right to it. Like god believers, their definition of 'evidence' is not very scientific.
Science allows us to arrive at truth, religion allows us to arrive at faith, which is believing in something you can't prove. "Faith: belief that is not based on proof" This always brings me to the Joseph Campbell story where an archbishop asks Joe if he believes in god, and Joe responds 'not anymore'. The archbishop says 'well, I guess there is no way to prove god exists, is there'. To which Joe says: 'If there were, father, what would be the purpose of faith'.
Galileo wasn't 400 years complicated, the Church just doesn't like admitting when it's wrong.
So they were rightfully burned at the stake, then, the Church still has that view. That's what I thought. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
September 17th, 2015 at 6:29:18 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
What possible evidence could a leprechaun believer point to?
Again you are talking about mathematical proof here and there are lots of things we know as true that cannot be proved in this way. Think for a moment all the things you believe and act on as true on a daily basis that are not based on proof or you cannot prove. You and all of us live the majority of our lives based on faith. You even have faith in some things that are not even logical or reasonable, such as your insistence there is no God.
O Bob, if that is really what you thought than I pity you. How could you have such a warped view of the Church? You need to go back to that time in history and understand the significance of heresy and false teaching for both the Church and the state. By the way are you outraged about the fact that still today Christians are killed because of what they believe? It is one thing to try to impose our modern circumstances and morality on people hundreds of years ago, it might be better for you to ask about this still happening today. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
September 17th, 2015 at 8:15:14 AM permalink | |
TheCesspit Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 1929 |
Course it's big business. Whenever there is a threat or problem to be solved... business steps in to try and solve it... and possibly make money. Why is anyone shocked that there's big business solutions to the problem? The arms industry is big business in response to the percieved threats of foreign powers getting up in a countries business. Arms dealers lobby, and get, tax credits. The only difference here is, some people think that climate change is not a threat or if it is, it's not a government problem to solve. It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die.... it's called Life |
September 17th, 2015 at 1:06:47 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
There is just as much real evidence as you have for there being a god. None.
Nope. Not believing in something takes no effort or faith at all. None. It's a non starter, I never think about it unless I'm in a discussion like this. I've believed it for too many decades, it's a non issue.
Just read it's awful tyrannical history, the only conclusion you can come to is it was a greedy, powerful organization that had it's claws into every facet of life. Control was it's goal, which it achieved for a very long time by keeping the populace as ignorant as possible. The printing press ruined it for them, just as the accumulation of knowledge does to this day. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
September 17th, 2015 at 4:01:47 PM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 |
The same kind you do. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |