Catholic Church Collapsing

September 15th, 2015 at 11:06:54 PM permalink
Evenbob
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If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
September 15th, 2015 at 11:15:43 PM permalink
Evenbob
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If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
September 15th, 2015 at 11:42:34 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
God is neither here nor there in the equation. You've
convinced yourself god is real, so for you he is.


You've convinced yourself there is no God, but that has no bearing on the fact that there is.



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Really? Is that why so many prisons are chock
full of Christians, it's Jesus' fault?


Quite some time ago I debunked this myth and you gave no response, I'm surprised you bring it back up now.



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They are very much unconnected, that's why so
many scientists are atheists.


Why are there so many believing scientists then?



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What
happened to him is certainly not unique.


That is very unique indeed. I can't think of another case like it.

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How
can anybody read it's appalling history and
say, hey, I want to be a part of that, sign
me up.


I think you may be selectively reading and exaggerating. We all do this I guess. There are parts of our American history we are surely not happy about, but we can still be proud to be an American.
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September 16th, 2015 at 12:47:26 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
You've convinced yourself there is no God, but that has no bearing on the fact that there is.


I see no evidence for a god. Neither do
you, so you make some up.

Quote: FrGamble
Why are there so many believing scientists then?


Why aren't they all rabid believers, if
science and faith are joined at the
hip, as you claim. For you, science and
faith are interchangeable, or so you
say. Is that why it took the Church 400
years to apologize to Galileo, because
they love science so much? How many
scientists were burned at the stake for
heresy? You make no sense.

Quote: FrGamble
That is very unique indeed. I can't think of another case like it.


LOL, no doubt. You should expand your
knowledge a little, some of the most
outspoken atheists are former religious
leaders.














I think you may be selectively reading and exaggerating. We all do this I guess. There are parts of our American history we are surely not happy about, but we can still be proud to be an American.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
September 16th, 2015 at 6:31:30 AM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
I see no evidence for a god. Neither do
you, so you make some up.


There is evidence for God all around you, all you have to do is open your eyes.



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For you, science and
faith are interchangeable, or so you
say.


Wow, I really don't know where you are getting this. Science and Faith are very different ways to arrive at truth. Science uses its methods and tools to arrive at truths about the physical world. Faith is utilizing science as well as theology, philosophy, religious teachings and traditions, Sacred Scriptures, and personal experiences to arrive a higher truths.


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Is that why it took the Church 400
years to apologize to Galileo, because
they love science so much? How many
scientists were burned at the stake for
heresy? You make no sense.


You do know that the Galileo case was very complicated, but yes mistakes were made all around. Scientists don't get in trouble for doing science, only when they decide to go outside of their realm and claim to have proven or disproved theological truths. Likewise theologians get in trouble when they go outside of their realm and claim that science is right or wrong about this or that because of theology.
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September 16th, 2015 at 1:03:05 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
There is evidence for God all around you, all you have to do is open your eyes.


Leprechaun believers say the evidence
for them is all around us too, and they
can point right to it. Like god believers,
their definition of 'evidence' is not very
scientific.

Quote: FrGamble
Science and Faith are very different ways to arrive at truth.


Science allows us to arrive at truth, religion
allows us to arrive at faith, which is believing
in something you can't prove.

"Faith: belief that is not based on proof"

This always brings me to the Joseph Campbell
story where an archbishop asks Joe if he
believes in god, and Joe responds 'not
anymore'. The archbishop says 'well, I guess
there is no way to prove god exists, is there'.
To which Joe says: 'If there were, father, what
would be the purpose of faith'.

Quote: FrGamble
You do know that the Galileo case was very complicated


Galileo wasn't 400 years complicated, the Church
just doesn't like admitting when it's wrong.

Quote: FrGamble
Scientists don't get in trouble for doing science, only when they decide to go outside of their realm and claim to have proven or disproved theological truths.


So they were rightfully burned at the stake, then,
the Church still has that view. That's what I thought.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
September 17th, 2015 at 6:29:18 AM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
Leprechaun believers say the evidence
for them is all around us too, and they
can point right to it.


What possible evidence could a leprechaun believer point to?


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Science allows us to arrive at truth, religion
allows us to arrive at faith, which is believing
in something you can't prove.


Again you are talking about mathematical proof here and there are lots of things we know as true that cannot be proved in this way. Think for a moment all the things you believe and act on as true on a daily basis that are not based on proof or you cannot prove. You and all of us live the majority of our lives based on faith. You even have faith in some things that are not even logical or reasonable, such as your insistence there is no God.


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they were rightfully burned at the stake, then,
the Church still has that view. That's what I thought.


O Bob, if that is really what you thought than I pity you. How could you have such a warped view of the Church? You need to go back to that time in history and understand the significance of heresy and false teaching for both the Church and the state. By the way are you outraged about the fact that still today Christians are killed because of what they believe? It is one thing to try to impose our modern circumstances and morality on people hundreds of years ago, it might be better for you to ask about this still happening today.
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September 17th, 2015 at 8:15:14 AM permalink
TheCesspit
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Quote: pew
Not sure I totally understand your post. You may have left out a word or three, at any rate global warming is BIG business, HUGE business. Haven't you seen those big windmills popping up everywhere.


Course it's big business. Whenever there is a threat or problem to be solved... business steps in to try and solve it... and possibly make money. Why is anyone shocked that there's big business solutions to the problem? The arms industry is big business in response to the percieved threats of foreign powers getting up in a countries business. Arms dealers lobby, and get, tax credits.

The only difference here is, some people think that climate change is not a threat or if it is, it's not a government problem to solve.
It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die.... it's called Life
September 17th, 2015 at 1:06:47 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
What possible evidence could a leprechaun believer point to?


There is just as much real evidence as you have
for there being a god. None.

Quote: FrGamble
You even have faith in some things that are not even logical or reasonable, such as your insistence there is no God.


Nope. Not believing in something takes no
effort or faith at all. None. It's a non starter,
I never think about it unless I'm in a discussion
like this. I've believed it for too many decades,
it's a non issue.

Quote: FrGamble
How could you have such a warped view of the Church? .


Just read it's awful tyrannical history, the
only conclusion you can come to is it was
a greedy, powerful organization that had
it's claws into every facet of life. Control
was it's goal, which it achieved for a very
long time by keeping the populace as
ignorant as possible. The printing press
ruined it for them, just as the accumulation
of knowledge does to this day.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
September 17th, 2015 at 4:01:47 PM permalink
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Quote: FrGamble
What possible evidence could a leprechaun believer point to?


The same kind you do.
Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber