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April 25th, 2016 at 6:48:58 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Farmer Forced to Dump 248 Gallons of Raw Milk & Break 1200 Free Range Eggs by Michigan Dept of Agriculture

The place was a co-op and bothering nobody. Other states are not letting people knowingly buy raw milk. Nobody being harmed, is this the best use of state resources?


Pretty one sided
A more balanced report
It was a business without the proper license.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/07/15/michigan-state-raw-milk-fight/30189699/

"Rockin in the free world" - Neil Young :-)


Should be no need for individuals to get a license to do business among themselves. Thats the point.
The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it
April 25th, 2016 at 7:43:27 AM permalink
terapined
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Farmer Forced to Dump 248 Gallons of Raw Milk & Break 1200 Free Range Eggs by Michigan Dept of Agriculture

The place was a co-op and bothering nobody. Other states are not letting people knowingly buy raw milk. Nobody being harmed, is this the best use of state resources?


Pretty one sided
A more balanced report
It was a business without the proper license.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/07/15/michigan-state-raw-milk-fight/30189699/

"Rockin in the free world" - Neil Young :-)


Should be no need for individuals to get a license to do business among themselves. Thats the point.


You have the freedom to elect people to change those license laws
Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World"
April 25th, 2016 at 9:07:28 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Farmer Forced to Dump 248 Gallons of Raw Milk & Break 1200 Free Range Eggs by Michigan Dept of Agriculture

The place was a co-op and bothering nobody. Other states are not letting people knowingly buy raw milk. Nobody being harmed, is this the best use of state resources?


Pretty one sided
A more balanced report
It was a business without the proper license.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/07/15/michigan-state-raw-milk-fight/30189699/

"Rockin in the free world" - Neil Young :-)


Should be no need for individuals to get a license to do business among themselves. Thats the point.


You have the freedom to elect people to change those license laws


Aint the question. The fact that such a law exists shows we have lost freedom.
The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it
April 25th, 2016 at 10:14:16 AM permalink
terapined
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Farmer Forced to Dump 248 Gallons of Raw Milk & Break 1200 Free Range Eggs by Michigan Dept of Agriculture

The place was a co-op and bothering nobody. Other states are not letting people knowingly buy raw milk. Nobody being harmed, is this the best use of state resources?


Pretty one sided
A more balanced report
It was a business without the proper license.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/07/15/michigan-state-raw-milk-fight/30189699/

"Rockin in the free world" - Neil Young :-)


Should be no need for individuals to get a license to do business among themselves. Thats the point.


You have the freedom to elect people to change those license laws


Aint the question. The fact that such a law exists shows we have lost freedom.


The ability to change any law shows that you still have freedom
Its not easy but the PEOPLE have the power to change any law.
Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World"
April 25th, 2016 at 2:23:17 PM permalink
TheCesspit
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Aint the question. The fact that such a law exists shows we have lost freedom.


Pretty much the age old question of how much regulation you want to have in a society... most people agree there should be some... and thus you always give up some freedom (or never have it) as part of any country (or social group).

Should food be regulated (one story says that it was the sales of processed food that was being stopped, not the raw milk)? If no, what stops me selling dangerous food? If yes, then what level of regulation? It always starts with a thin edge, but then there's ifs ands and buts. Personally, there are many industries which are over regulated, which hampers free trade, and therefore efficient markets.
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April 25th, 2016 at 5:23:26 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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The ability to change any law shows that you still have freedom


Really? You still believe that goo goo BS from high school? Get in the real world.
The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it
April 25th, 2016 at 5:25:14 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Should food be regulated (one story says that it was the sales of processed food that was being stopped, not the raw milk)? If no, what stops me selling dangerous food? If yes, then what level of regulation? It always starts with a thin edge, but then there's ifs ands and buts. Personally, there are many industries which are over regulated, which hampers free trade, and therefore efficient markets.


The thing on this story is they were a co-op, bothering nobody and doing business among themselves. If you, Face, and EB decided to buy tomatoes from my garden this year, why should the state need to be involved? We all would know and trust each other.
The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it
April 25th, 2016 at 5:28:53 PM permalink
rxwine
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Doesn't a free society allow prostitution, hard drugs, pornography, gay marriage, gender preference, dogs as food, home stills, public nudity, euthanasia, and of course all kinds of lethal weapons?
No one has ever proven I am not God.
April 25th, 2016 at 5:33:20 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Doesn't a free society allow prostitution, hard drugs, pornography, gay marriage, gender preference, dogs as food, home stills, public nudity, euthanasia, and of course all kinds of lethal weapons?


In a true free society yes, yes, yes, no, don't understand the question but it sounds like a topic for another thread, yes, yes, where appropriate, yes, yes.
The man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it
April 25th, 2016 at 5:39:13 PM permalink
Evenbob
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If you, Face, and EB decided to buy tomatoes from my garden this year, why should the state need to be involved? We all would know and trust each other.


I'm growing bucket cherry tomatoes, 5 buckets.
I'll have more than I can handle, even eating
them every day. I'll post pics in May when I
put them in.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
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