Hey FrGamble!

Quote: aceofspades

Here's the thing - it is exactly like Bob said - atheists feel the same way about God as they do about unicorns, leprechauns and trolls

You have been conditioned to believe in a God because someone told you during your formative years that such a being existed

This is just avoidance on your part, deal with the arguments not what you think you know about me.

Quote: FrGamble

This is just avoidance on your part, deal with the arguments not what you think you know about me.

There is the same amount of evidence for God as there is for unicorns, leprechauns and trolls

Your faith and statements that there can be no other explanation other than God for the creation of the universe are not evidence

Quote: FrGamble

Why do you say that? Please back up that comment.

Because no part of god, or Superman, or
Thor, fits into the laws that govern this
universe. You can blather on about how
god exists 'outside' of these laws, but
because you can't prove it, it's just
that. Blathering nonsense.

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a couple of posts back where you claimed that the universe has always existed because it just feels like it has.

I never said 'because', I said it as
an aside. A curious reference.
A pleasant observation. None of
which can be said about your
disastrous death worshiping
religion.

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Come on Bob, logic is exactly what protects us from such wishful thinking and engineered conclusions.

Frankly, you wouldn't know real logic
if it bit you on your hindquarters and
didn't let go for a week. Your logic
takes all of science and boils it down
to some fuzzy wuzzy love filled 'being'
that sits out there somewhere loving
us like crazy, yet letting kids in Africa
starve to death or die of a mosquito
bite, while caring deeply that Gay
people never have Gay sex or get
married. Do you know how twisted
and demented that is? Why would
anybody go near a psychopath god
like that unless they were brainwashed
into it.

Quote: aceofspades

There is the same amount of evidence for God as there is for unicorns, leprechauns and trolls

Your faith and statements that there can be no other explanation other than God for the creation of the universe are not evidence

Is the motion of the universe not evidence that there is cause? Is the fact that the material world exists and is contingent for its existence not evidence for a cause? I don't understand how you can keep saying there is no evidence for God? It really is kind of basic and has nothing to do with religion or faith.

Quote: FrGamble

This is just avoidance on your part, deal with the arguments not what you think you know about me.

So you weren't indoctrinated as a
kid, is that what you're saying? You
came to all these disastrous
conclusions as a thinking reasoning
adult? That's just plain frightening.
At least if you were a kid, that's
some kind of a defense. But doing
it on purpose as an adult, you
have no excuse.

That's what my ex priest friend
Ed did. He bought into all the
nonsense in college and went
to seminary and became a
priest. His 4th year in the
priesthood it started to dawn
on him that it was all garbage
and none of it was true. To this
day he's horribly embarrassed
he was ever that naive. We all
make mistakes. At least he
redeemed himself and became
a math teacher and made a
real difference in the world.
He says he never did that as
a priest by dispensing fairy
tales and nonsense.

Quote: Evenbob

Because no part of god, or Superman, or
Thor, fits into the laws that govern this
universe.

If you want an example for reverse engineering of an argument look no further. Bob has put his conclusion right at the start. At least you are letting us all know where you are heading because you have already made up your mind with no evidence, no argument, nothing. Classic.

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Frankly, you wouldn't know real logic
if it bit you on your hindquarters and
didn't let go for a week. Your logic
takes all of science and boils it down
to some fuzzy wuzzy love filled 'being'

You don't get it do you? How many times and in how many ways can I tell you that this is not about me or Christianity. You are just using your unjust hatred and misunderstanding of my religion to avoid dealing with the inescapable and clear evidence that there is of necessity a supernatural all-powerful reality that is the cause of all that has begun to exist.

Quote: Evenbob

You
came to all these disastrous
conclusions as a thinking reasoning
adult?

What is disastrous about the conclusion that there is a God? Why do you think the reasoning isn't sound?

Quote: FrGamble

Bob has put his conclusion right at the start.

Never seen anybody leap a
building in a single bound,
or walk on water. Have you?
That's what I thought..

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How many times and in how many ways can I tell you that this is not about me or Christianity.

But of course it is, you just wish it
wasn't. How do you explain the
super highly educated scientists
in the UK who are 92% atheist.
They just look at the logical facts.
You look at the same facts thru
your ultra biased Xtian filters
and think your being 'logical;.
You are not.

Quote: FrGamble

What is disastrous about the conclusion that there is a God? Why do you think the reasoning isn't sound?

Because it makes no sense that
we're ruled by and surrounded
by the laws of nature, and with a
wave of your hand you get rid
of these laws when it comes to
your god. These laws are laws
because they always apply, no
matter the circumstances. But
just like the authors of the
Superman comic books, you
can make him and your god
do anything you want because
it's all made up.

Quit it, make sense. Act like you
understand logic and stop
reinventing it.

Quote: Evenbob

Never seen anybody leap a
building in a single bound,
or walk on water. Have you?
That's what I thought..

I don't understand what you mean by this.
You've never seen an electron or the center of the Sun. Have you? That's what I thought...

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How do you explain the
super highly educated scientists
in the UK who are 92% atheist.

They all fit in one or more of the previous categories I mentioned for atheists.

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They just look at the logical facts.

Which is why 100% of them would never deny some cause they don't understand is the first cause of the universe and all that exists. I imagine 0% of them would hold to the idea that material things are eternal.