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Hey FrGamble!
| September 16th, 2020 at 8:09:54 AM permalink | |
| aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 |
Humans are animals who have evolved to adapt to their environment via their brains So you are saying once humans are extinct, the Earth and universe will cease to exist? WOW - such hubris |
| September 16th, 2020 at 7:29:33 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
So they are different than other animals, good to know.
Not really, the universe was around a lot longer than humans have been. I'm wondering what meaning you think the Earth and universe would have without us? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| September 16th, 2020 at 7:33:15 PM permalink | |
| aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 |
All animals differ from other animals
There's that hubris again |
| September 16th, 2020 at 10:37:40 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
The universe has been here forever in one form or another. So have you. If you still yourself and listen, you can feel the eternalness of who you are. Not who you think you are, the person who likes pizza and football and enjoys being a priest. The real you. Where did Xtians get the notion that the memories they gather here follow them around for eternity. Even reincarnated kids who are born with past memories lose them after a few years. They aren't relevant anymore. Why do Xtians think they would be relevant in heaven. Memories are just bookmarks your brain makes so you can remember where you parked your car and who your wife is. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| September 17th, 2020 at 5:35:57 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
That's true. Do you think there is anything extraordinarily different about us compared to the rest of the animal world? By the way I'm not trying to say that we are not part of creation and the animal world. I'm just pointing out the painfully obvious truth that we are radicially different than ever other animal in the way we live but especially in the how and why we live.
Interesting, I was just asking a question, oh well. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| September 17th, 2020 at 8:29:43 AM permalink | |
| aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 | My über-Catholic friend's most recent text to me:  |
| September 17th, 2020 at 9:39:20 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Xtion's think that whatever happens to you in this life, good or bad or horrible, follows you and haunts you forever in the afterlife. That's just plain frightening. Mormon's carry it a step further. They think whatever family you have here is your family forever after you die. You have to deal with people you can't stand for eternity. Talk about a being insecure, good grief. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| September 17th, 2020 at 10:36:16 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 | Plato wrote a dialogue in which Socrates asks Euthyphro “Is what is morally good commanded by God because it is morally good, or is it morally good because it is commanded by God?” This is known as the 'Euthyphro Dilemma'. When you really get into this, it makes a farce out of morality coming from some god. It's an obvious human invention, a god had nothing to do with it. This dilemma has driven theists nuts since Socrates wrote it. They mostly just choose to ignore it, as FrG will here. He has no argument to present. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| September 18th, 2020 at 6:20:17 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | An all good God has everything to do with morality. God is the source of all that is good. The real dilemma for those who don't ground their morality in God is how can they know or determine what is good. They are left to their own whims, feelings, and desires as the source of morality which is not only dangerous but false and not consistent. If morality was a human invention then we could say genocide or forced sterilizations or rape of children is not objectively evil but really up to the person or society to determine the moral value. Racial slavery was once legal and accepted by society, did that make it a moral good? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| September 18th, 2020 at 6:51:38 AM permalink | |
| Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 |
Like in biblical times. Nowhere does the bible, even Jesus, condemn slavery. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |