Hey FrGamble!

Quote: Evenbob

If something has been here forever,
the question of where it came from
would never arise.

So do you think the Earth has been here forever? What do you think has been here forever? Why do you not think it appropriate to ask where something came from? Why are you trying to limit and restrict science?

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You live in the world of connect the
dots, and when you run out, you make
up the dots as you go along and
convince yourself they're true.

It is true I like to connect the dots and when we run out of dots I don't pretend there are more dots going on for infinity. That is avoiding the question and giving up. I follow logic and truth and therefore know that the dots cannot go on forever and I don't make anything up, unlike your made up infinite regress which is not scientifically or philosophically possible.

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It's
a form of mental laziness and ego,
at having to be right at any cost.

I think I have shown above that you are the one being lazy and just giving up the pursuit of truth when you run out of dots and are forced to accept something you might be uncomfortable with. I am a servant of truth and I humble myself before reality. It is you who have the ego and need to be right, even when you are obviously wrong.

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You really love to over think everything, that's
got to be a problem for you.

Thank you for the compliment and it is not a problem for me at all.

Quote: Dalex64

What was god doing before the creation of the universe[..]?

Planning? :)

Quote: FrGamble

So do you think the Earth has been here forever? What do you think has been here forever?

Sometimes I think you do this on
purpose, ask questions you've
already asked a dozen times, like
you never heard my answer. So,
again, everything has been here
forever in one form or another.
Oneformoranother, one-form-or-
another, it's always been here.
Always will be here. Why is that so
hard to grasp.

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I follow logic and truth

When will we see that displayed here.
So far all you present is theory, conjecture,
and wishful thinking. Lots and lots of
wishful thinking.

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I think I have shown above that you are the one being lazy

All you've shown is you love to take
abstract unprovable ideas, proclaim
them as 'truth', and expect the rest
of us to be amazed. There isn't a shred
of evidence a god exists, let alone done
all the things you claim. There's zero
truth in what you say, if it were the truth
nobody would or could dispute it. Yet
every bit of it is easily disputed.

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Thank you for the compliment and it is not a problem for me at all.

Over thinking is what gives us the silliness
of organized religion. And it's even sillier
followers.

Quote: Evenbob

So,
again, everything has been here
forever in one form or another.
Oneformoranother, one-form-or-
another, it's always been here.
Always will be here. Why is that so
hard to grasp.

Because if the universe has been here forever and it is expanding then why is it in the form we know it as. If it had forever to expand then everything would be inert gas now. Also if it has been here forever why is it still changing into different forms? Shouldn't everything already be at the state it will be in forever if it has had forever to reach whatever form that is? If the universe is eternal it still doesn't explain why there is change in form? What force acts or has acted on the universe to cause change and motion?

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There's zero
truth in what you say, if it were the truth
nobody would or could dispute it. Yet
every bit of it is easily disputed.

What I am saying is truth and that is one of the reasons you have not disputed it at all. You just keeping saying there is no God so there is no God. You also say that we see creation but that doesn't mean there is a creator. This is either circular nonsense or wishful thinking. God exists. That is truth, what we can dispute about is who God is. But seriously no thinking person can deny there is some supernatural cause for there being something rather than nothing. Be an atheist if you want but know that is your illogical choice and I think what you really mean is that you don't care for any religious interpretation of who God or this cause of the universe is. That is fine. We should be discussing that and not your false unsupported claims there is no God.

Quote: FrGamble

Because if the universe has been here forever and it is expanding then why is it in the form we know it as.

Why do you assume there is nothing outside our
universe. It's the way it is this time, next time it
will be some other way. You have to expand
your way of thinking.

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God exists. That is truth.

And yet no matter how hard you try, you can't
prove the tiniest part of such an all encompassing
phenomenon. That god exists. It's a gigantic
hurdle as big as Mt Everest, you can't begin
to climb it, so you skirt the issue by just taking
it for granted. Proclaim there is a god, that's
the truth, and move on, inventing your religion
as you go.

It's an entertaining game for those that want to
play, but some of us have better things to do
than live a life based on fairy tales and conjecture.
Trying to figure out what the god you invented
wants from you, how tiring that must be. And how
frustrating.

Quote: Evenbob

Why do you assume there is nothing outside our
universe. It's the way it is this time, next time it
will be some other way. You have to expand
your way of thinking.

Why do you assume there is?

I make assumptions based on the evidence. I also am confused by your statement "next time it will be some other way". If the universe is eternal there is no next time, right? You wonder why I ask you so many questions, it is because you are not terribly consistent or clear with your philosophy.

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That god exists. It's a gigantic
hurdle as big as Mt Everest, you can't begin
to climb it,

You have to expand your way of thinking.

Quote: FrGamble

I make assumptions based on the evidence.

You make assumptions based on a faulty
premise. You and all religious people
start with a faulty question and work
backwards from there. How and why
did god create the universe? Why are
we born in sin? Why do our wells go dry
and our crops fail? Why is there evil in
the world? Your answer is always built
into the question, unlike true science.
That way you're guaranteed to always
get an answer that fulfills your world view.

Quote: Evenbob

How and why
did god create the universe?

And if so, who or what created god?

Quote: FrGamble

I also am confused by your statement "next time it will be some other way". .

The part of the universe that we experience
might be some other kind of universe next
time. It constantly rebirths itself into infinity.
The Hindu's have been talking about this
for thousands of years.

Here's a very good Hindu myth explained
wonderfully by Joseph Campbell. Keep in
mind that this is myth, Campbell neither
believes in god, or in heaven or hell. The
myth is meant to help us understand what
is impossible to understand intellectually.

Quote: Evenbob

The part of the universe that we experience
might be some other kind of universe next
time. It constantly rebirths itself into infinity.

As pew once said you are by far the most religious guy on the forum with statements like that.