Hey FrGamble!
February 28th, 2018 at 7:04:32 PM permalink | |
beachbumbabs Member since: Sep 3, 2013 Threads: 6 Posts: 1600 |
I lost track of this thread and am.just now seeing this response. Excellent advice, FrG. Thank you. Never doubt a small group of concerned citizens can change the world; it's the only thing ever has |
February 28th, 2018 at 9:08:52 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
No, it was the polar opposite of that. It was a well researched scholarly piece that took 45 min to read and had a ton of footnotes of where they got their info from. It was excruciatingly detailed, had names and dates and was very boring in places. It was very informative and matter of fact about how the Church went about enriching itself for 1500 years. Much of the Church's early wealth came legally or illegally from them inheriting the property of the former Roman Empire, which had gotten most of it's holding from theft and confiscation. In the Church's defense, they were no better or worse than any secular entity in those periods. They got wealthy by using coercion and force, there was no other way. It was called the Dark Ages for a reason. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
March 1st, 2018 at 4:05:00 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | No, it was on a really sketchy website if I remember that all kinds of very troubling stuff on it. I also remember the article itself having basic things wrong pretty early on. But it did look really well written and had lots of footnotes. Also when you use the phrase early Church you have to remember what that means. The early Church was the Apostles and Jesus' disciples. They had nothing, begged for food, were poor, some uneducated. What they did have was an experience of the Risen Lord Jesus, an unshakeable faith and a passion to share the Gospel. They were all except John, who was exiled on an island, martyred for the faith. Yet the faith under great persecution from Rome and their own people continued to grow. What you seem to be talking about is not the early Church. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
April 4th, 2018 at 5:11:59 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 | You replied to my posts in the other thread and completely ignored this one. Why is that. http://diversitytomorrow.com/thread/2637/7/#post101070 If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 4th, 2018 at 5:19:53 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | I did address it in my response to the Wizard's post. I don't think you have honed any argument for atheism because you continue to just ignore things you don't like or can't answer. You truly are not searching for truth and that is what makes me so disappointed. I guess I should have figured as much since you have said you are selfish. If the only reason you are engaging in this discussion is for some selfish reasons and not an honest discussion and pursuit of truth that would make me think less of you than if you all of the sudden realized the error of you ways. In fact if you showed any sign of truly learning and understanding a different point of view than yours I would be overjoyed. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
April 4th, 2018 at 5:37:26 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Why would you, I did it for myself, not you. Every post you make is for your own edification whether you realize it or not.
But neither are you, it's already been found in your life as far as you're concerned. Me too, why would I search for a god who doesn't exist, talk about tilting at windmills.
We do EVERYTHING for personally selfish reasons, even you. Especially you. Religious people are the most selfish of all.
Already found truth, just sharpening it and making it clearer. As you are, about what you perceive to be true. You've admitted at times that you've gotten a lot out of our discussions, are you now saying it was a waste of time?
Wow. Look at that sentence see if you spot any selfishness in it. It's dripping with it. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 4th, 2018 at 5:55:30 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Don't search for God, search seriously for truth and you will find both. You keep using the words selfish for our motivation and I think you would be closer to truth if you said we all do what we think is good - whether it is good for us or for others. I have gotten a lot out of our conversations. However, I don't think you have. I'm lamenting that it all seems like a waste of time for you. That sentence is dripping with a desire for your good. I would indeed be very happy, but only happy because you demonstrated an openness of thought and the possibility to change your ideas. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
April 4th, 2018 at 6:39:51 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
I posted this: I have learned a ton about Xtionity in the last few years by being forced to look things up... These are edge honing conversations, not mind changing ones. The point is to clarify the feelings you already have, not to change them. Why do you think I posted that if I got nothing from our discussions. I don't stay in conversations I get nothing out of, who does. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 7th, 2018 at 10:05:59 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 | I go thru all the trouble to post this 2 days ago and you have time to post in other threads but not answer this? http://diversitytomorrow.com/thread/2637/11/#post101123 Does this mean you have no response? I understand. You had to run out of arguments eventually, you have an empty well. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 7th, 2018 at 11:38:05 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Unlike you I don't stop discussing something or block someone when I have been proven wrong. I just forgot about your post, sorry about that. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |