Upcoming Primaries

January 17th, 2016 at 4:12:24 PM permalink
TheCesspit
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IA comes down to the ground game. I don't think Trump has it. Hillary has the curse of too much money, thinks she can just buy it. Sanders people are fired up. Still a coin-flip but he sure has momentum over her. I see way more Bernie bumper stickers than Hillary ones.

Now what gets interesting in the circus that it the Hillary campaign is her legal issues. If I am thinking right and she has to drop out she could give her staff to Biden or Kerry but not pledged delegates. Meaning if she gets indicted in April them Bernie could get it all. The FBI and intel communities may well keep up the pressure as they risk their lives to get secrets and Hillary left them wide open to theft.


Most of the US Liberals I've spoken to seem to think the security stuff is a non-issue. I don't agree, I think it's a terrible breach to commit. It was at best naive, but most likely an arrogant display of being 'better' than the government apparatus around her, with no thought to the consequences.

I suspect Bernie will have a good run at it. Course, then you might actually have someone who identifies as a socialist up for President (unlike Obama, who isn't); which I am sure will get all the right in a lather. Sanders vs. Trump will at least give a choice for the soul of the nation... though I fear it will make your politics even more partisan than it is now. Or you'll have super low turn out, because I can see many American stuck between those 'extremes' and want nothing with either.
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January 17th, 2016 at 5:02:26 PM permalink
rxwine
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Most of the US Liberals I've spoken to seem to think the security stuff is a non-issue. I don't agree, I think it's a terrible breach to commit. It was at best naive, but most likely an arrogant display of being 'better' than the government apparatus around her, with no thought to the consequences.




I just don't think they will get to an indictment with Hillary. Unless they find she intentionally gave info to someone. Like for instance:

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CNN)óGen. David Petraeus pleaded guilty Tuesday to one federal charge of removing and retaining classified information as part of a plea deal, court documents show.

According to the documents, Petraeus admitted removing several so-called black books -- notebooks in which he kept classified and non-classified information from his tenure as the commander of the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan -- and giving them to his biographer, Paula Broadwell.
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January 17th, 2016 at 5:10:27 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: TheCesspit
Most of the US Liberals I've spoken to seem to think the security stuff is a non-issue. I don't agree, I think it's a terrible breach to commit. It was at best naive, but most likely an arrogant display of being 'better' than the government apparatus around her, with no thought to the consequences.


Liberals will let the Clintons get away with anything. One thing amazes me is how many women do not care how much Bill sleeps around. They seem to think all men act this way and it is no big deal. Had the same discussion with women in 2 offices 2 states and 20 years apart, might as well have been same discussions.

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I suspect Bernie will have a good run at it. Course, then you might actually have someone who identifies as a socialist up for President (unlike Obama, who isn't); which I am sure will get all the right in a lather. Sanders vs. Trump will at least give a choice for the soul of the nation... though I fear it will make your politics even more partisan than it is now. Or you'll have super low turn out, because I can see many American stuck between those 'extremes' and want nothing with either.


Seemingly starting in the 2000 election we keep having these love-ins of elections where neither side will take a stand for their own side in a big way. Sanders v. Donald would for once make a real election. The Democrat Party has basically become the socialist party in the USA in all but name. Trump will call that out if he gets the nod, though I still think he and Cruz is a real race.

Time for the "middle" to decide what side they are on.
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January 17th, 2016 at 11:36:20 PM permalink
TheCesspit
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Seemingly starting in the 2000 election we keep having these love-ins of elections where neither side will take a stand for their own side in a big way. Sanders v. Donald would for once make a real election. The Democrat Party has basically become the socialist party in the USA in all but name. Trump will call that out if he gets the nod, though I still think he and Cruz is a real race.

Time for the "middle" to decide what side they are on.


Nah, the mainstream Democrats are far too happy to take and work with the big corporate money where it suits them, and work with big business if they want to to be a socialist party. Even Obamacare isn't a socialist policy... it's very much a 'centrist' partnership approach to the problem. Yes, it steps towards the left with the government oversight and coercion, but doesn't bring it solidly in house that a true socialist policy would. Sanders is a democratic socialist. He's definitely left of Clinton and Obama, from what I've read. Sanders WOULD be making that step, for sure. It would be a correct and fair comment on the Democratic Party. Many in the Dems would be spitting feathers if Sanders gets the nod from the grass roots (just see the effect of Jeremy Corbyn has had on the core parliamentary Labour party in the UK... the rank and file love him, the party in Westminster barely tolerate his leadership).

I say this, because if you term the Democrats at present as 'socialist', you are in for a big shock if you see real socialism (and you'd really hate it, far beyond the current 'government nanny state' and 47%ers you think you have now). Third-way, corporatist policies are (to me) much more harmful than real socialism, and small-government conservatism (or the classical liberalism of the GOP back in Lincoln's time). I used to think the third way was a way forward, but it really is this horrible mix that is neither fish nor fowl, but some ugly crossover beast.

I'd much prefer to see a dose of Cruz down there than a dose of Clinton, and I don't agree with much of what Cruz says.
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January 18th, 2016 at 5:14:01 AM permalink
terapined
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Quote: AZDuffman
Liberals will let the Clintons get away with anything. One thing amazes me is how many women do not care how much Bill sleeps around. They seem to think all men act this way and it is no big deal.


Typical right wing morals police.
Who cares if somebody has a mistress. Just about every leading powerful male politician on the planet has a mistress.
Putin probably has a mistress. Its reality. Deal with it.
Really weird how conservatives are so "moral" yet so fixated on sex
Just too funny that conservatives are angry that those on the left just don't care about their BS morals.

In Omaha, they are trying to educate students regarding sex to lower rates for teen pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases
Conservatives want to keep teens ignorant claiming the information is "straight from the pits of hell."

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January 18th, 2016 at 5:51:10 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: TheCesspit
Even Obamacare isn't a socialist policy... it's very much a 'centrist' partnership approach to the problem. Yes, it steps towards the left with the government oversight and coercion, but doesn't bring it solidly in house that a true socialist policy would.


It is not centrist at all, it is as far left as they could take it. Obama desires a single-payer system. He just could not take things so far. The real hope is Obamacare fails so bad the American public will cry out for single-payer.


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Sanders is a democratic socialist. He's definitely left of Clinton and Obama, from what I've read. Sanders WOULD be making that step, for sure. It would be a correct and fair comment on the Democratic Party. Many in the Dems would be spitting feathers if Sanders gets the nod from the grass roots (just see the effect of Jeremy Corbyn has had on the core parliamentary Labour party in the UK... the rank and file love him, the party in Westminster barely tolerate his leadership).

I say this, because if you term the Democrats at present as 'socialist', you are in for a big shock if you see real socialism (and you'd really hate it, far beyond the current 'government nanny state' and 47%ers you think you have now). Third-way, corporatist policies are (to me) much more harmful than real socialism, and small-government conservatism (or the classical liberalism of the GOP back in Lincoln's time). I used to think the third way was a way forward, but it really is this horrible mix that is neither fish nor fowl, but some ugly crossover beast.


Strangely I have not really met and talked to a Sanders supporter to see what is making them tick. From what I see, they hear that overseas college is "free" and health care is "free" and all other kinds of things are cheap or free. They think they can get their free major in underwater modern dance and get a decent job. What they never see is that the "free" college will be very selective and the free health care will entail long waits for treatment in many cases.

They see a socialist paradise in a few small countries but miss that said paradise may be paid for with unusual oil wealth. Or that it is a country with a small, homogeneous population somewhat isolated from the world. Some of the videos you can see are crazy, like when FNC was asking if they wanted to ban "corporate profits" and so many simply agreed.

I tell people that 2020-2030 will be a rough and perhaps violent period of social adjustment in the USA near like the Civil War and 1930-1945. We are simple due. Perhaps it is starting early and the soul of the USA will go to the victor of the factions going for Trump/Sanders and we know yet not which side will win? Hold on!
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January 18th, 2016 at 7:36:15 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Trump will call that out if he gets the nod, though I still think he and Cruz is a real race.

Trump has said once again that he would offer Cruz the VP position, but specifically said he would not accept the VP position from Cruz.
Although it is fairly common to give the VP position to a former opponent, I don't ever remember the candidates openly discussing the possibility (especially this early).


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January 18th, 2016 at 7:56:42 AM permalink
terapined
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Quote: Pacomartin
, I don't ever remember the candidates openly discussing the possibility (especially this early).



Not this early in 1976 but Reagan , who was not going to get the nomination, actually announced who is VP running mate would be before the convention.
Kind of meaningless announcing your VP when the nomination is lost
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January 18th, 2016 at 8:10:32 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Not this early in 1976 but Reagan , who was not going to get the nomination, actually announced who is VP running mate would be before the convention.
Kind of meaningless announcing your VP when the nomination is lost


Yes, but that was because neither Reagan nor Gerald Ford had enough delegates for the nomination. Reagan made a gamble that naming Richard Schweiker (finishing 2nd term as PA senator) as his vice presidential candidate would get him the nomination. That's a little different than making his nomination part of the campaign.
January 18th, 2016 at 8:22:33 AM permalink
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I had no idea Trump was that old. All due credit for staying in what looks like great shape for his age.
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