Yet another aviation thread.

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September 9th, 2019 at 3:54:52 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Both Airbus and Boeing had luck with the shorter jets A319(111 ft 0 in), B737-300 (109 ft 7 in) and B737-700(110 ft 4 in) in the past. Southwest Airlines owns over 500 of the B737-700 which they configure with 143 seats. But Southwest has been ordering 175 seat jets for the past 7 years, and no airlines seem interested in the shorter jets today.
Airbus (A319 | 1,486 orders) and Boeing (B737-300|1113 deliveries) and (B737-700| 1128 deliveries)

There are only a handful of orders today for the latest equivalent versions. The 737 MAX 7 is the same size as the B737-700 and the A319neo is the same size as the A319. However, the first A319neo was just delivered as a private jet in the last two weeks.

I very badly want a private jet that is over 100 feet long that can cross the ocean. This configuration has a windowed ceiling.

September 9th, 2019 at 8:18:40 PM permalink
DRich
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I very badly want a private jet that is over 100 feet long that can cross the ocean. This configuration has a windowed ceiling.
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Our company had a G4 and now has a Challenger 601. Those are the biggest private planes that I have been on. They are both capable of transatlantic flights although I have never went further than the East coast on them.
September 9th, 2019 at 9:01:15 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Our company had a G4 and now has a Challenger 601. Those are the biggest private planes that I have been on. They are both capable of transatlantic flights although I have never went further than the East coast on them.


Does it look something like this?


I am just kidding about the Airbus 319 business jet. The idea of using a plane that seats 143 in normal commercial configuration and downsizing it for a dozen people seem ludicrously wasteful.
September 10th, 2019 at 4:18:19 AM permalink
Fleastiff
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The idea of using a plane that seats 143 in normal commercial configuration and downsizing it for a dozen people seem ludicrously wasteful.
it is ludicrously wasteful, but stockholders, union members, etc. can't do much about it. A smaller more nimble executive jet is indeed more sensible but buyers do not have to be sensible.
September 10th, 2019 at 8:32:51 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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it is ludicrously wasteful, but stockholders, union members, etc. can't do much about it. A smaller more nimble executive jet is indeed more sensible but buyers do not have to be sensible.


Delta has 100 B752 model planes that they normally fit with 199 seats (5 rows with 4 seats across for first class, and 30 rows with 6 seats across). They have 11 jets configured for NBA charter (18 rows with 4 seats across for 72 seats).

Donald Trump's private jet is the same model, the plane is configured with seating for 24, a master bedroom, bidet, dining room, galley, conference rooms, and multiple lavatories.

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Boeing started selling the business jet versions in 1996, but before that people were creating them on their own

You can see from the images the difference between the 737-800 and the 737-Max8 (serrated larger engine). The larger engine is mounted forward on the wing because of the limited ground clearance which makes the plane more vulnerable to stall on takeoff.


September 10th, 2019 at 11:10:44 AM permalink
DRich
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I always thought I would want a plane similar to an ERJ-145 for my private plane. The downside is that plane has a very short range.
September 10th, 2019 at 3:32:39 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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I always thought I would want a plane similar to an ERJ-145 for my private plane. The downside is that plane has a very short range.


For $15-20 million you would be better off with a jet that can comfortably go trans-continental ranges.

TransAtlantic is usually a minimum of 3000 nmi (JFK-LHR). But Boston to Shannon Airport in Ireland is 2516 nautical miles.

The Cessna Citation Sovereign (Model 680) has a range of 3,200 nmi, and cost is US$18.79 million (2019), but can only take 12 passengers.
The Cessna Citation Hemisphere is a 4,500 nautical miles its development was suspended in April 2018. It is expected to cost $30-$35 million.

The cost of a private jet that can cross the Atlantic is so high, that a lot of executives fly commercial and then charter a jet upon arrival.
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