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Yet another aviation thread.
| December 2nd, 2017 at 6:06:54 AM permalink | |
| Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 |
Would you adjust your behavior for any of the following situations: Certain knowledge that the low price was a predatory fare designed to eliminate some competitor. Certain knowledge that the low price flight was at an eroded safety margin because no airline could possibly charge such a low price and also maintain pilot training and plane maintenance standards. |
| December 2nd, 2017 at 7:00:16 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
To see if that makes sense, let 's look at a route which is rare with five airlines competing with nonstop flights. Given the most recent month that data is available. The month has 30 days and we are looking at flights from NYC (mostly JFK) to Las Vegas. There are roughly 16 nonstop flights per day and load factors are very high. Clearly Virgin America is the smallest of the five competitors. They only have one flight per day, with the least number of seats and the lowest load factor, so they carry only 5% of the nonstop passengers from NYC to Las Vegas. 142 Delta Air Lines Inc. (166.87 seats) 92.4% 90 JetBlue Airways (198.99 seats) 92.3% 60 American Airlines Inc. (160.00 seats) 90.3% 30 Virgin America (148.10 seats) 88.3% 169 United Air Lines Inc.(from EWR airport) (172.28 seats) 95.0% With five airlines to choose from prices are certainly competitive, but it would be ruinous to have "predatory pricing". Say four of the airlines conspired to set fares so low that Virgin America cancels their single daily flight . All four airlines losing a ton of money until Virgin America gives up the route. how would they earn it back? If they double their price then they could never fill their planes. |
| December 2nd, 2017 at 7:23:45 AM permalink | |
| DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4966 |
It would not. I live in the short term so any money I save today is more valuable to me than money I may spend tomorrow. At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |
| December 2nd, 2017 at 7:56:38 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
I am not sure how long the overcrowded Las Vegas airport will be able to support over 65 flights per day from Los Angeles area (five airports) Round trip to Las Vegas Miles 197 Ontario, CA 4 flights per day 223 Burbank, CA 11 flights per day 226 Santa Ana, CA 8 flights per day 231 Long Beach, CA 7-8 flights per day 236 Los Angeles, CA 35-36 flights per day The competition keeps prices low, but the strain on the runways is very high Certainly there are far fewer flights from other continents Miles to Las Vegas 6248 Beijing, China 6022 Seoul, South Korea 5713 Zurich, Switzerland 5584 Frankfurt, Germany 5253 London, United Kingdom LGW 5229 London, United Kingdom LHR 5087 Manchester, United Kingdom 2916 Panama City, Panama 2762 Honolulu, HI Zurich, Switzerland 5713 |
| December 3rd, 2017 at 6:08:33 AM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 | Reviews of the new densified AA 737-8 MAX are not good: http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2017/11/29/flew-americans-first-new-no-legroom-plane-heres-really-like/ About the lavs, the author neglects to consider how any woman would have trouble managing it. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
| December 3rd, 2017 at 7:59:53 AM permalink | |
| DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4966 |
It sounds spacious and luxurious compared to Spirit. At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |
| December 3rd, 2017 at 8:46:14 AM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
I've said before the C Series can do for short and mid-haul travel what the 787 did for long haul. I don't propose that's what Delata will do, but the possibility remains there. If something breaks the legacy carrier's spoke and hub model, the C series will be it. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
| December 3rd, 2017 at 8:49:08 AM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
That accounts for the comment that it's not "the worst economy seat." Doesn't that make for a great slogan? "American Airlines: not the worst seat in economy!" BTW slimline seats are not exclusive to cheap legacy carriers trying to pack more people in. Interjet's newer planes have them, too, although they're still configured with 34" pitch and 150 seats per A320. My guess is they cost less (fewer materials) and certainly weigh less, thus requiring somewhat less fuel per flight. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
| December 3rd, 2017 at 12:31:50 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Boeing 737 MAX 8 seating 156 Silk Air 12 first class, 0 expanded, 144 economy (Singapore) 169 Air Canada 16 first class, 0 expanded, 153 economy 172 American 16 first class, 30 expanded, 126 economy 174 Westjet 12 first class, 0 expanded, 162 economy 175 Southwest 1-class {same number of seats as 737-800} 180 Lion Air 1-class (Indonesia) 189 Norwegian Air Shuttle 1-class {FAA exit limit} Those NAS flights to Europe must be hell. They modified the plane to get 200 seats for Ryan Air.
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| December 3rd, 2017 at 4:27:40 PM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
The Southwest figures are a bit misleading. With only one class, the pitch is 32-33"
Now we know the road to hell is really lined up with cheap fares :) I think the ULCCs ought to be renamed UHFCs; Ultra-High-Fee Carriers. It would be more accurate. The problem is everyone else seems to be heading that way, too. Except Jet Blue, Southwest and Interjet (as far as I know; I keep hearing nice things about Porter up in Canada). Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |