Did you ever notice?
November 17th, 2015 at 11:44:29 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Then why have you presented zero evidence, only circular reasoning, and faulty logic. You can't even show evidence that sin exists, and that's the basis of your religion. Without sin there is nothing to be 'saved' from. The real 'leap of faith' in Christianity has nothing to do with Jesus. The real leap of faith is believing that sin is real. Once you believe that, you're screwed, they have you. If you believe that your thoughts and actions are insulting to some god, you really do need salvation for believing something so preposterous. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 17th, 2015 at 12:57:09 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | OMG!!! The material universe began to exist at some point. Most scientists put this at roughly 13.7 billion years ago. Anything contingent for its existence needs to have a cause. For anything to exist and avoid an impossible infinite regress there needs to be a being that has existence in itself, that is non-contingent. This being must be immaterial, all-powerful, and outside of space and time (eternal). This is what we all commonly refer to as God. In regards to sin, I can't count the amount of times you yourself have proven this through your ignorance, meanness, unkindness, and pointing out these same flaws in me and others. It is common to all human beings. After this week I continue to be amazed that you do not see the evil mankind is capable of?!? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
November 17th, 2015 at 1:16:22 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Which time, this one or the infinite number that came before it. The universe (and you) have been here forever, and will continue to be here in one form or another. Quit worrying about it.
I've never proven anything, but I've shown there is no evidence sin exists. You're somebody who thinks he can turn a glass of wine into the blood of a dead man, on the gullibility scale I'd say you were somewhere near the top. You'll believe anything if it moves your agenda ahead. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 17th, 2015 at 1:40:10 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
The thing I'm worrying about is why you can't see that positing an infinite number of material universes doesn't answer anything but makes this current universe impossible. The best way to think about it is if you have a train full of cars that is moving there has to be an engine somewhere or nothing is moving. Even if it is a very long train it has to have an engine. If the cars stretched out to infinity without a beginning then there would be in reality nothing. We could also mention the impossibility of infinity, but I think this image will give you a sense of why there could not be a infinite number of times before it.
Do I need to again point out that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence?!? You can't say there is no sin without giving me evidence of such absence. All you have said over and over is that there is no sin because there is no God. This is faulty and circular.
I think if you don't believe in God or the spiritual you will never understand transubstantion. So why don't we take it one step at a time. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
November 17th, 2015 at 2:54:24 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Hardly. You have a very narrow view of things, you take everything and try to cram it into your teeny tiny box. All religions have to do this, it's quite comical to watch.
You want positive evidence that something doesn't exist. Think about that for a minute.
I understand that saying it's the actual body of a dead man is the epitome of superstitious nonsense. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 17th, 2015 at 5:44:28 PM permalink | |
buzzardknot Member since: Mar 16, 2015 Threads: 7 Posts: 497 | Was there ever a bigger con than original sin ? Brand new baby is born a sinner. |
November 17th, 2015 at 6:16:28 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
By teeny tiny box do you mean my head? It is true that we are all required to take everything and cram it into our amazing little brains. Religion does this as does science and everything else, apparently and obviously except you. Unfortunately it is not comical to watch you not even trying to understand.
You are not in this room right now and as I look around I have positive evidence that you are not present. For anything we are sure does not exist we have reasons and evidence that point to that fact. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
November 17th, 2015 at 6:17:49 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
You sound like the good philosopher Pascal. He basically said it is the most detestable thing to believe if only it weren't so obviously and painfully true. If it didn't explain everything about who we are as human beings we would reject it out of hand. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
November 17th, 2015 at 6:41:25 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
I mean the tiny box of understanding that all religions create. The outside world has to be molded and changed to fit in the tiny box. When the world was an ignorant place, it was easy. But science has made it impossible to ignore that most religions are superstitious nonsense. You are not in this room right now and as I look around I have positive evidence that you are not present. For anything we are sure does not exist we have reasons and evidence that point to that fact. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 17th, 2015 at 6:49:11 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
It explains nothing about humans, except some will believe any nonsense their told to believe. Buzz is right, it's a con perpetrated on totally uneducated unsophisticated ignorant people, so others could control them. For centuries, the tallest buildings in any city on earth were the religious buildings. They showed where the power lay, who was in charge. Gradually they were replaced by commercial buildings, office buildings that housed huge corporations that ran the world. At one time Catholic leaders held immense power, but not anymore. But they still act like they do, even though they know they're finished. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |