Did you ever notice?

November 17th, 2015 at 11:44:29 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
Christianity has evidence and reason and logic.


Then why have you presented zero evidence,
only circular reasoning, and faulty logic. You
can't even show evidence that sin exists, and
that's the basis of your religion. Without sin
there is nothing to be 'saved' from.

The real 'leap of faith' in Christianity has nothing
to do with Jesus. The real leap of faith is
believing that sin is real. Once you believe
that, you're screwed, they have you. If you
believe that your thoughts and actions are
insulting to some god, you really do need salvation
for believing something so preposterous.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
November 17th, 2015 at 12:57:09 PM permalink
FrGamble
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OMG!!!

The material universe began to exist at some point. Most scientists put this at roughly 13.7 billion years ago. Anything contingent for its existence needs to have a cause. For anything to exist and avoid an impossible infinite regress there needs to be a being that has existence in itself, that is non-contingent. This being must be immaterial, all-powerful, and outside of space and time (eternal). This is what we all commonly refer to as God.

In regards to sin, I can't count the amount of times you yourself have proven this through your ignorance, meanness, unkindness, and pointing out these same flaws in me and others. It is common to all human beings. After this week I continue to be amazed that you do not see the evil mankind is capable of?!?
“It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” (
November 17th, 2015 at 1:16:22 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
OMG!!!
The material universe began to exist at some point.


Which time, this one or the infinite number
that came before it. The universe (and you)
have been here forever, and will continue to
be here in one form or another. Quit worrying
about it.

Quote: FrGamble
In regards to sin, I can't count the amount of times you yourself have proven this


I've never proven anything, but I've shown there
is no evidence sin exists. You're somebody who
thinks he can turn a glass of wine into the blood
of a dead man, on the gullibility scale I'd say you
were somewhere near the top. You'll believe
anything if it moves your agenda ahead.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
November 17th, 2015 at 1:40:10 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
Which time, this one or the infinite number
that came before it. The universe (and you)
have been here forever, and will continue to
be here in one form or another. Quit worrying
about it.


The thing I'm worrying about is why you can't see that positing an infinite number of material universes doesn't answer anything but makes this current universe impossible. The best way to think about it is if you have a train full of cars that is moving there has to be an engine somewhere or nothing is moving. Even if it is a very long train it has to have an engine. If the cars stretched out to infinity without a beginning then there would be in reality nothing. We could also mention the impossibility of infinity, but I think this image will give you a sense of why there could not be a infinite number of times before it.



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I've never proven anything, but I've shown there
is no evidence sin exists.


Do I need to again point out that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence?!? You can't say there is no sin without giving me evidence of such absence. All you have said over and over is that there is no sin because there is no God. This is faulty and circular.

Quote:
You're somebody who
thinks he can turn a glass of wine into the blood
of a dead man, on the gullibility scale I'd say you
were somewhere near the top. You'll believe
anything if it moves your agenda ahead.


I think if you don't believe in God or the spiritual you will never understand transubstantion. So why don't we take it one step at a time.
“It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” (
November 17th, 2015 at 2:54:24 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
positing an infinite number of material universes doesn't answer anything but makes this current universe impossible.


Hardly. You have a very narrow view of
things, you take everything and try to
cram it into your teeny tiny box. All
religions have to do this, it's quite
comical to watch.

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You can't say there is no sin without giving me evidence of such absence.


You want positive evidence that something
doesn't exist. Think about that for a minute.

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I think if you don't believe in God or the spiritual you will never understand transubstantion.


I understand that saying it's the actual
body of a dead man is the epitome of
superstitious nonsense.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
November 17th, 2015 at 5:44:28 PM permalink
buzzardknot
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Was there ever a bigger con than original sin ? Brand new baby is born a sinner.
November 17th, 2015 at 6:16:28 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
you take everything and try to
cram it into your teeny tiny box. All
religions have to do this, it's quite
comical to watch.


By teeny tiny box do you mean my head? It is true that we are all required to take everything and cram it into our amazing little brains. Religion does this as does science and everything else, apparently and obviously except you. Unfortunately it is not comical to watch you not even trying to understand.



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You want positive evidence that something
doesn't exist. Think about that for a minute.


You are not in this room right now and as I look around I have positive evidence that you are not present. For anything we are sure does not exist we have reasons and evidence that point to that fact.
“It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” (
November 17th, 2015 at 6:17:49 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: buzzardknot
Was there ever a bigger con than original sin ? Brand new baby is born a sinner.


You sound like the good philosopher Pascal. He basically said it is the most detestable thing to believe if only it weren't so obviously and painfully true. If it didn't explain everything about who we are as human beings we would reject it out of hand.
“It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” (
November 17th, 2015 at 6:41:25 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
By teeny tiny box do you mean my head?


I mean the tiny box of understanding that
all religions create. The outside world has
to be molded and changed to fit in the
tiny box. When the world was an ignorant
place, it was easy. But science has made
it impossible to ignore that most religions
are superstitious nonsense.





You are not in this room right now and as I look around I have positive evidence that you are not present. For anything we are sure does not exist we have reasons and evidence that point to that fact.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
November 17th, 2015 at 6:49:11 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
If it didn't explain everything about who we are as human beings we would reject it out of hand.


It explains nothing about humans, except
some will believe any nonsense their told
to believe. Buzz is right, it's a con perpetrated
on totally uneducated unsophisticated ignorant
people, so others could control them.

For centuries, the tallest buildings in any
city on earth were the religious buildings.
They showed where the power lay, who
was in charge. Gradually they were replaced
by commercial buildings, office buildings
that housed huge corporations that ran
the world.

At one time Catholic leaders held immense
power, but not anymore. But they still act
like they do, even though they know they're
finished.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.