Economics of movie theaters

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March 1st, 2017 at 3:08:18 AM permalink
Fleastiff
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Quote: Pacomartin
I didn't mean "good", I meant profitable.
LOL. How essentially a "Hollywood" comment that is. Good equals Profitable. How true!

Quote: Pacomartin
Every film is hoping to be popular in China or Russia or Japan, but you can't split the pie up so many ways.
Yet, that seems to be the only "pie" there is. Over seas sales where people still go to movies. Darn few people go to movies in the USA today. I think a great many movie theaters would be re-focused but for the fact that many movie theaters are anchor tenants in malls and not quite free to experiment.

With everything being streamed and many movie premiers being online rather than in theaters, the shows are diminishing in importance. The money seems to be in the blog world interacton with the characters and fellow fans. To me this walking dead is utter nonsense but they have tv shows that are nothing but chats about the walking dead and websites that feature walking dead interviews.
March 12th, 2017 at 12:02:00 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Fleastiff
Darn few people go to movies in the USA today.


It is generally believed that 2002 was the apex for movie tickets sold in the USA and Canada (estimated 1.576 billion tickets), and that year will never be topped.

1 Spider-Man
2 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
3 Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones
4 Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
5 My Big Fat Greek Wedding
6 Signs
7 Austin Powers in Goldmember
8 Men in Black II
9 Ice Age
10 Chicago
11 Catch Me If You Can
12 Die Another Day

But China is going to allow about 30 films a year into their domestic market. Last year they earned an average of $85 million apiece. The number could easily double in a few years.
1 Zootopia
2 Warcraft
3 Captain America: Civil War
4 The Great Wall
5 Kung Fu Panda 3
6 The Jungle Book (2016)
7 Skiptrace
8 Star Wars: The Force Awakens
9 X-Men: Apocalypse
10 Doctor Strange
11 Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
12 Fantastic Beasts and Where To Find Them
13 The Angry Birds Movie
14 Independence Day: Resurgence
15 Jason Bourne
16 Ice Age: Collision Course
17 Star Trek Beyond
18 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows
19 Alice Through the Looking Glass
20 The Revenant
21 The Secret Life of Pets
22 London Has Fallen
23 The Legend of Tarzan
24 Finding Dory
25 Gods of Egypt
26 Moana
27 The BFG
28 The Divergent Series: Allegiant
29 Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children
30 The Huntsman Winter's War

Sherlock: The Abominable Bride (BBC TV show)
March 13th, 2017 at 5:35:08 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
It is generally believed that 2002 was the apex for movie tickets sold in the USA and Canada (estimated 1.576 billion tickets), and that year will never be topped.


To quote Adam Savage:

Quote:
3 Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones


"There's your problem!"
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March 13th, 2017 at 5:53:59 PM permalink
ams288
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Quote: Pacomartin
It is generally believed that 2002 was the apex for movie tickets sold in the USA and Canada (estimated 1.576 billion tickets), and that year will never be topped.

1 Spider-Man
2 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
3 Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones
4 Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
5 My Big Fat Greek Wedding
6 Signs
7 Austin Powers in Goldmember
8 Men in Black II
9 Ice Age
10 Chicago
11 Catch Me If You Can
12 Die Another Day


I saw 10 of these in theaters.

5 of them I saw multiple times in theaters.

Good times!
March 13th, 2017 at 5:58:58 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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"There's your problem!"


Here is a ranking of the years and the estimated number of movie tickets sold (between 1 billion and 1.6 billion)

1998-2004 is the peak number of tickets sold. Outside of foreign box office sales, the only real avenue for growth is to sell more expensive tickets for Dolby Stereo, IMAX, beer and pizza, etc. Of course ancillary sales of books, costumes, princess dresses, video games, amusement rides, toy cars, etc. is where the real money is to be made.


Million tickets- year- #1 boxoffice film (1980-2016)
1,575.7 2002 Spider-Man
1,532.3 2003 Return of the King
1,510.5 2004 Shrek 2
1,487.3 2001 Harry Potter / Sorcerer's Stone
1,480.7 1998 Saving Private Ryan
1,465.2 1999 The Phantom Menace
1,420.8 2000 The Grinch
...
1,412.7 2009 Avatar
1,406.0 2006 Dead Man's Chest
1,404.6 2007 Spider-Man 3
1,387.7 1997 Titanic
1,379.2 2005 Revenge of the Sith
1,361.5 2012 The Avengers
1,343.7 2013 Catching Fire
1,341.3 2008 The Dark Knight
1,339.1 2010 Toy Story 3
1,338.6 1996 Independence Day
1,320.1 2015 Star Wars: The Force Awakens <-------------------------
1,315.3 2016 Rogue One <-------------------------
1,291.7 1994 Forrest Gump
1,283.0 2011 Harry Potter / Deathly Hallows (P2)
1,268.2 2014 American Sniper <-------------------------
...
1,262.8 1989 Batman
1,262.6 1995 Toy Story
1,244.0 1993 Jurassic Park
1,199.0 1984 Beverly Hills Cop
1,197.0 1983 Return of the Jedi
1,188.6 1990 Home Alone
1,175.0 1982 E.T.
1,173.2 1992 Aladdin
1,140.6 1991 Terminator 2
1,088.5 1987 Three Men and a Baby
1,084.8 1988 Rain Man
1,067.0 1981 Raiders / Lost Ark
1,056.1 1985 Back to the Future
1,022.0 1980 The Empire Strikes back
1,017.2 1986 Top Gun
March 13th, 2017 at 6:10:06 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
1998-2004 is the peak number of tickets sold. Outside of foreign box office sales, the only real avenue for growth is to sell more expensive tickets for Dolby Stereo, IMAX, beer and pizza, etc.


I wonder if theaters could give away extra-extra-salty popcorn and over-over-over-charge for drinks :)
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March 14th, 2017 at 10:59:56 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Remarkably 4 out of 6 of the top earning movies released have an R-rating (45.6% of all gross revenue)
2 Logan
4 Fifty Shades Darker
5 Get Out
6 John Wick: Chapter Two

1 The LEGO Batman Movie (PG)
3 Split (PG-13)
March 14th, 2017 at 11:17:24 AM permalink
Nareed
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Do you suppose many people skip the theater and wait for the movie(s) they want to see to be out in 1) DVD, 2) Streaming, 3)Pirate DVD, 4)Pirate streaming, or 5) Cable?
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March 14th, 2017 at 1:56:01 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Nareed
Do you suppose many people skip the theater and wait for the movie(s) they want to see to be out in 1) DVD, 2) Streaming, 3)Pirate DVD, 4)Pirate streaming, or 5) Cable?


The top 52 movies last year sold over 7 million tickets domestically in USA and Canada. The big three Disney movies sold over 45 million tickets.
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story BV 60,596,800
Finding Dory BV 56,158,100
Captain America: Civil War BV 46,755,200

The original Star Wars trilogy sold and estimates 94M-178M tickets over all releases, but most of them in the original year.
Star Wars Fox 178,119,60
Star Wars: The Force Awakens BV 108,115,100
Return of the Jedi Fox 94,059,400

So most people wait until they are streaming.
March 14th, 2017 at 2:18:55 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
So most people wait until they are streaming.


The problem with that is you lose on the big screen experience.

I saw this at the office where a few people you'd expect to line up for the premiere, instead waited quite a while. as I mentioned, one of them got the Han Solo gets killed spoiler while waiting.
If Trump where half as smart as he thinks he is, he'd be twice as smart as he really is.
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