Neo-monophysitism

December 13th, 2015 at 11:21:38 PM permalink
FrGamble
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I wonder where you got that quote. I suggest you look to the Catechism to discover the true reality of Original Sin.
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December 14th, 2015 at 12:14:38 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
I wonder where you got that quote. I suggest you look to the Catechism to discover the true reality of Original Sin.


"Original sin is a moral and spiritual corruption. It could be compared to the Reformed Doctrine of Total Depravity which states that sin has touched all parts of what a person is: heart, mind, soul, will, thoughts, desires."

Lets break it down. 'moral and spiritual corruption'. We're
'broken', you say it constantly. Because of OS, humanity is
broken.

Doctrine of Total Depravity

"Total depravity (also called radical corruption, or pervasive depravity) is a theological doctrine derived from the Augustinian concept of original sin. It is the teaching that, as a consequence of the Fall of Man, every person born into the world is enslaved to the service of sin."

Augustine is a Catholic saint, is he not? Original sin
does indeed make humanity filthy in the eyes of god.

Do you dent that?
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December 14th, 2015 at 6:22:16 AM permalink
Nareed
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We can't control the earth and make plants grow


Have you ever seen a farm?

Have you ever seen a farm on reclaimed desert land?
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December 14th, 2015 at 7:01:33 AM permalink
FrGamble
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Oh come on, I meant without effort as before the fall.
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December 14th, 2015 at 7:04:32 AM permalink
Nareed
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Oh come on, I meant without effort as before the fall.


I can prove the existence of farms, and gardens, and parks, and even potted plants.

Can you prove "the fall"? Is there any indication crops grew in profusion somewhere in Africa without any human tending? Are these rhetorical questions?
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December 14th, 2015 at 11:12:28 AM permalink
Nareed
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So god says "one of us" - us who? The other gods? The other creators? The other aliens?


The other gods, of course.

Remember two things: 1) thee are the myths of primitive desert tribes and 2) they're derived from oral traditions, which are particularly prone to distortions, and influenced by their neighbors and the great powers of the day.

Polytheism being the order of the day, it's likely the ancient Hebrews had a pantheon like everyone else. How they drifted onto monotheism isn't clear. perhaps due to influences from Akhenaton's short-lived heretical reign in Egypt, though that seems unlikely. In any case, it must have been shortly before the myths were set down on "paper" (vellum, perhaps papyrus?). Some errors crept in, like Jehovah saying "us," rather than "me." I think the first commandment, which forbids the tribes of Israel from having "other gods," supports this interpretation.

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We also learn from genesis that man is to lord over all things on earth, including women.
[..]

It looks like god did not oppose multiple wives.


These two are related, and it's a feature rather than a bug. It's also rather very, very misogynistic.
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December 14th, 2015 at 4:43:47 PM permalink
FrGamble
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The other gods, of course.

Remember two things: 1) thee are the myths of primitive desert tribes and 2) they're derived from oral traditions, which are particularly prone to distortions, and influenced by their neighbors and the great powers of the day.

Polytheism being the order of the day, it's likely the ancient Hebrews had a pantheon like everyone else. How they drifted onto monotheism isn't clear. perhaps due to influences from Akhenaton's short-lived heretical reign in Egypt, though that seems unlikely. In any case, it must have been shortly before the myths were set down on "paper" (vellum, perhaps papyrus?). Some errors crept in, like Jehovah saying "us," rather than "me." I think the first commandment, which forbids the tribes of Israel from having "other gods," supports this interpretation.


Come on, are you saying that polytheism is at the heart of the foundations of Judaism? In regards to the commandment why wouldn't the one true God use the language that the culture would recognize by saying, "have no other gods"?
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December 14th, 2015 at 4:45:01 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Do you dent that?


The fact that Augustine is a saint is the only think I don't deny in your entire post. Where are you getting your misinformation?
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December 14th, 2015 at 5:02:24 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
The fact that Augustine is a saint is the only think I don't deny in your entire post. Where are you getting your misinformation?


Different places, what's the difference. It's
all wrong to you, which actually means it's 100%
right info.
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December 14th, 2015 at 5:30:53 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Interesting theory. Forgive me if I don't trust your sources until you reveal where they are from. Why not try the Catechism of the Catholic Church?
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