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October 28th, 2016 at 9:05:42 AM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: FrGamble
What risks are involved?


Post-op usual: gangrene, infection, bleeding, etc. Then you have accidents during the ritual mutilation, which can end in things from loss of the glans to loss of the whole limb.

This isn't like inoculation, or correcting a life-threatening heart defect, or even removing inflamed tonsils (and studies there show little benefit as well). This is a barbaric practice left over from a time rife with superstition.

About the only decent suggestion, beyond banning such things until the age of consent, is reducing them to a pinprick. That's near zero risk and has about the same benefit.
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October 28th, 2016 at 9:22:32 AM permalink
Dalex64
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Quote: FrGamble
And from this point we can use logic to show that the universe has a cause.



Why do you think that logic needs to be tested to be true? Why do you trust the philosophical idea that testing and observation is the only way to discover truth, when that itself is untestable? Is a mathematical equation any less true before you test it or observe how it works out?



In fact we know it was proved to be true if you went just by the observations. The logic behind geocentrism was just the scaffolding that held the argument together based on ancient observations and tests. Once those observations and tests were discovered to be wrong they were taken down and the same scaffold was used to build the theory of heliocentrism.



What do you have against ideas? They are the most powerful force in the universe.



You can break the physical laws of the universe but we cannot break the laws of logic and reason.


We can't have a discussion while you continue to use logical fallacies in your arguments. Please read rationalwiki for details, I am tired of trying to explain them to you.
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October 28th, 2016 at 12:33:11 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Dalex64
We can't have a discussion while you continue to use logical fallacies in your arguments.


That's all the god religions have, they
lean on them like an old man using
a walker to keep him upright. FrG
will always go back to that well, he
has not other place to go. This
conversation will end like they all do.
FrG will be frustrated that he couldn't
convince anyone to take his fallacies
seriously, and the atheists will be
shaking their heads thinking, when
will they ever learn.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
October 28th, 2016 at 1:09:03 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: Nareed
Post-op usual: gangrene, infection, bleeding, etc. Then you have accidents during the ritual mutilation, which can end in things from loss of the glans to loss of the whole limb.un

This isn't like inoculation, or correcting a life-threatening heart defect, or even removing inflamed tonsils (and studies there show little benefit as well). This is a barbaric practice left over from a time rife with superstition.

About the only decent suggestion, beyond banning such things until the age of consent, is reducing them to a pinprick. That's near zero risk and has about the same benefit.


I have mixed feelings on this.

Because I feel like parents can even make a purely cosmetic decision that is more risky than foreskin removal.

Let's say the kid has a structural defect on the face that causes zero physical problems, but makes the kid look really odd. Do we really have to wait until age of consent all through grade school. It probably is going to affect his or her social interactions. It can be easier to operate on an infant. They don't remember it. They will heal as fast as they ever will. You're not going to be interrupting schooling or something else later.

I believe foreskin removal done in proper conditions is extremely low risk. (not talking of female circumcision)
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October 28th, 2016 at 2:19:30 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: rxwine
Let's say the kid has a structural defect on the face that causes zero physical problems, but makes the kid look really odd. Do we really have to wait until age of consent all through grade school.


It depends on what kind of defect and how much of an impact it can have socially.

I word this very carefully, because social impact is often used as an excuse to mutilate intersex babies, much to their detriment.


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I believe foreskin removal done in proper conditions is extremely low risk. (not talking of female circumcision)


It is. but a room full of people at a house by someone not necessarily trained as a physician, is hardly what I'd consider proper conditions.
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