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| October 28th, 2016 at 9:05:42 AM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Post-op usual: gangrene, infection, bleeding, etc. Then you have accidents during the ritual mutilation, which can end in things from loss of the glans to loss of the whole limb. This isn't like inoculation, or correcting a life-threatening heart defect, or even removing inflamed tonsils (and studies there show little benefit as well). This is a barbaric practice left over from a time rife with superstition. About the only decent suggestion, beyond banning such things until the age of consent, is reducing them to a pinprick. That's near zero risk and has about the same benefit. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
| October 28th, 2016 at 9:22:32 AM permalink | |
| Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
We can't have a discussion while you continue to use logical fallacies in your arguments. Please read rationalwiki for details, I am tired of trying to explain them to you. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
| October 28th, 2016 at 12:33:11 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
That's all the god religions have, they lean on them like an old man using a walker to keep him upright. FrG will always go back to that well, he has not other place to go. This conversation will end like they all do. FrG will be frustrated that he couldn't convince anyone to take his fallacies seriously, and the atheists will be shaking their heads thinking, when will they ever learn. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| October 28th, 2016 at 1:09:03 PM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18762 |
I have mixed feelings on this. Because I feel like parents can even make a purely cosmetic decision that is more risky than foreskin removal. Let's say the kid has a structural defect on the face that causes zero physical problems, but makes the kid look really odd. Do we really have to wait until age of consent all through grade school. It probably is going to affect his or her social interactions. It can be easier to operate on an infant. They don't remember it. They will heal as fast as they ever will. You're not going to be interrupting schooling or something else later. I believe foreskin removal done in proper conditions is extremely low risk. (not talking of female circumcision) You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
| October 28th, 2016 at 2:19:30 PM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
It depends on what kind of defect and how much of an impact it can have socially. I word this very carefully, because social impact is often used as an excuse to mutilate intersex babies, much to their detriment.
It is. but a room full of people at a house by someone not necessarily trained as a physician, is hardly what I'd consider proper conditions. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
| April 4th, 2017 at 10:31:12 PM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18762 | If one is communicating with God, why can't you just get your orders direct? Does God not have the power to make himself totally clear even to humans? Why would you need a governing body to clear things up. Why a pope for clarity? Why wouldn't you all have the same views after communicating with God? In conclusion, is there anything at all to indicate god exists or communicates? --------- Even a 7 year old kid would see though this charade, at least until you confused him enough, because kids usually see an obvious problem. They aren't yet brainwashed to believe that an adult wouldn't actually believe and teach screwed up nonsense. (well at least 7 year olds who haven't already had a few years of indoctrination) You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
| April 4th, 2017 at 10:41:44 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Anything provable or believable? No. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| April 5th, 2017 at 8:17:08 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
This question in some ways answers the first two. God does communicate clearly to us through a governing body He Himself established, namely the Church.
Because of sin.
Yes! ---------
A 7 year old can see that you don't have a good argument. A 7 year old also knows very clearly that we often disobey our parents and cause problems, likewise they know we disobey God as well and cause the confusion and problems you mention. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| April 5th, 2017 at 10:19:43 AM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Because a god speaking to you would be like you talking to an ant. You need special ants attuned to you. And then you need to get a part of you to be an ant and your son, to go down to the anthill and talk to the other ants. The comparison breaks down, though, because you didn't create ants (neither did I, come to think of it). So you need an analogy where if you were the god you'd be "talking" to a computer, for example. Oh, but then you do have various means for telling the computer exactly what you want... Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
| April 5th, 2017 at 12:45:46 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
What a scenario. Men establish a church, state that god communicates with them thru it, and people go along. No proof, no evidence, the church makes huge mistakes that cost millions their lives, yet people continue to believe a god is running it. Reality trumps fiction again. If you made this up and put it in a story, people would say it was crazy. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |