Simple question?

Quote: FrGamble

It is most true in this most recent century when atheistic governments

What absurdities did they make
people believe? Witches were
killing their babies and drying
up their wells?

You've given up on the Orig Sin
thread, then. You see there was
no sacrifice, at least none that
could be construed as such.
Neither god or Jesus/god sacrificed
anything, nor could they if they
knew every detail of the future as
Xtions claim. Check and mate..

The greatest absurdity there is namely there is no God or that the state is God. The worst things in human history have happened based on that great absurdity.

[edit: by the way I'm waiting for you to respond in the Original Sin thread. I thought you had given up and realized you were wrong.]

Quote: FrGamble

The greatest absurdity there is namely there is no God ]

Xtions have a mindset that all they
have to do is say things with authority
and that automatically makes them
true. Jesus died for our sins! Jesus
is the messiah! Jesus is god! And if
you dare to question any of these
lofty pronouncements, they are
hurt beyond measure and wounded
to the core.

Oh well, tough luck. If you don't want
to be 'hurt', say things that make sense and
you can back up with real evidence.
And no, words written by anonymous
men 2000 years are evidence of nothing
except they knew how to write.

I'm only hurt when you use abusive and insulting language about me, believers in God, or God Himself. If you want to have a civil conversation and discussion about things I am all for it.

I have explained sin to you many times as well as the claim to Messiah. We've seen your circular arguments concerning sin and your repeated unwillingness to recognize any other definition even though every culture, religious and secular, has a notion of sin. I've given you links showing the fulfillment of OT prophecies of Christ and reminded you that all of Jesus' early followers were Jewish as the Church experienced its greatest growth. I've shown you that I believe there is no other reasonable explination for the impact of Jesus Christ on human history than Him being truly God (not to mention the personal experience of the living Lord Jesus of myself and billions of others). All of this you have either ignored, twisted, or denied. If you don't want to be reasonable or understand anything why don't you just leave me alone.

Also please don't lecture me about stating things as fact that are not, because that is all you do. You say boldly that there is absolutely no God. Yet you have never produced one iota of evidence or logical argument to support your claim. You hide behind not being able to prove a negative. But you forget that you are not saying you don't believe something exists, but are rather claiming without a doubt something does not exist. Your position is self-contradictory. You also make statements about historical myths without any reputable sources and hold them without question as fact.

Quote: FrGamble

I have explained sin to you many times .

And sin only exists if you're a god
believer. I am not, so there is no
god to offend and no gods laws
to break. There are only societys
rules and laws. Which is all there
is anyway, nobody is sitting in
jail because they sinned. Sin is
not a deterrent from robbing
a bank, threat of prison is. Sin
is just a religious concept, nothing
more. It doesn't exist in reality.

Why do you say sin doesn't exist in reality and yet give the perfect secular definition of it? In your example sin equals breaking society's laws and hell equals jail. You understand the concept and reality of sin, you just don't believe in God.

Quote: FrGamble

You understand the concept and reality of sin, you just don't believe in God.

'Just'? You say that like it's a
small thing. The entire existence
of sin revolves around there
being a god or not. No god, no sin.

Sin, like god, is just a concept. There
is no evidence for either in the real
world we live in. Just because you
label some act a sin, doesn't mean
it's an offense to some god you
can't prove exists. It's just a game
that was set up for you to play.

And the entire existence of breaking society's laws depends on there being a society. Look the only thing to keep in mind is that you understand every society, culture, and religion has a real concept of rule breaking.

Quote: FrGamble

every society, culture, and religion has a real concept of rule breaking.

Yet they're not the same. In some
parts of society you can be stoned
to death for being Gay or cheating
on your husband. Societies rules
are made by men, not god.

Quote: FrGamble

And the entire existence of breaking society's laws depends on there being a society. Look the only thing to keep in mind is that you understand every society, culture, and religion has a real concept of rule breaking.

In how many of those religions was it ok to kill someone who didn't convert?