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July 11th, 2018 at 11:52:22 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Lots and lots of people believe in god and it has almost no impact on their lives at all. Prisons world wide are packed with god believers. The average person on the street will say sure, they believe in god. That's the last time that day they will think about it. The god religions, Xtionity, Mormonism, Islam, Judaism, are all about control, physical control and mind control. My ex priest friend said most of what he heard in confession were things people had done in their thoughts, not in reality. He eventually felt like the mind police. God religions are started because they want to control what people say and do. That's the whole point. It's why god people get so upset with atheists. They think, my gosh, that person has no control in his life, he can do whatever he wants. We must stop him. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 11th, 2018 at 12:12:51 PM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | If people actually believed in God instead of just claiming they believe, there would be zero need for confession. The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
July 11th, 2018 at 12:43:22 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Ah, from your lips to God's ears. However, we both know human nature enough to realize believing in something doesn't mean we will or can live out that belief perfectly. This isn't just religion. None of us can even live up to our own personal standards perfectly. I believe in God and need confession a lot. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
July 11th, 2018 at 12:58:38 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Or at all. Like I said, prisons are chock full of god believers. And most people don't obey what god wants, they obey what society wants, because the punishments for not obeying are real. Look what happens during a blackout. People who otherwise would never think of stealing are all of a sudden looting stores and carrying off TV's. And laughing about it. It's been shown again and again that if people think they can get away with something, they'll try, god watching and all.
No doubt, that's how you were raised and indoctrinated. I have never confessed and feel zero need to. Just thinking about it is ludicrous and a major invasion of my space and privacy. That you would do it willingly is frightening to me, because it means you think you can do really bad things and it will be fine if you just confess it to another priest. I live under no such delusion. Look at pedophile priests, you just know some of their incentive is they think god will forgive them. This is what's so insidious about organized religion. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 11th, 2018 at 2:57:11 PM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | One or both things can be questioned. If you are doing something you don't believe, both can't be true at the same time. I disagree. We can live up to our personal standards, at that time. Standards for non xtians are fungible , the difference is we know the voices in our heads are our own. Does the voice in your head make you feel bad because you broke some agreement or expectation with a super entity that hangs out in your head? When the thoughts finally settle down, is it your voice in your head forgiving you, or is it some other voice? What does it sound like, you or God? I'm assuming that you are needing confession for committing sin? Why would you sin if you accepted that it were a sin in the first place? I do think if I believed what you profess to believe, I wouldn't commit what is said to be sins? Is that the devil making you sin? It doesn't sound like you get much peace from religion with all that going on in your head all the time. Do your thoughts keep you awake at night? The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
July 11th, 2018 at 3:08:26 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 188 Posts: 18633 |
Oops, now you've drawn me in to ask about original sin again. So Human nature was doomed to fail even before it failed? Sounds like a set up. You were made with a weakness and designed to fall into the trap of original sin. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
July 11th, 2018 at 3:24:35 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Atheists are much more at peace than god people. They're always worried about something, it drives me nuts. There's a great old zen story. Two monks are walking along a road and they come to a stream. There is a young lady there in fine clothes that will ruin them if she wades across. The order the monks are in forbids them to touch or talk to women. Without thinking, the bigger monk picks up the lady and carries her across and the monks go on their way. Later, the one who didn't pick up the lady is clearly agitated. He reminds the bigger monk that he broke a major rule by carrying the lady across the stream. The bigger monk says: "I put her down hours ago, why are you still carrying her." That what Xtions do, they fret and they stew, they're always fidgeting about something. Atheists for the most part have a clear mind about things. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 12th, 2018 at 11:58:01 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Wow, I feel somewhat vindicated. FrG did not respond to either post, which means he agrees with me and has no response. Looks I got through to him, finally.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 12th, 2018 at 12:36:30 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Sorry, I am traveling and if I can't handle writing something quick with my phone I have to wait to get to a place with a computer.
Simply not true. Imagine for a second if you believed your life was not a cosmic accident and that you were created thoughtfully and lovingly, wouldn't that fundamentally change your life? What if you believed that your life was of infinite dignity, as was the life of every person you ever met, wouldn't that change your life? Imagine what impact it would have if you believed that you were created with purpose and with a goal to get to Heaven and help as many people as possible to get there as well? Imagine what impact it would have on your life to know you were going to be judged at the end of your life, that you will be held accountable for your life? I do hope that someone who is an atheist does not let their beliefs impact their lives at all, because that would be scary.
Religions started because people believe God has revealed Himself and/or some truth that is important for mankind to know. It starts because others found something that is a gift from God and they want to share it. An atheist who thinks they are not under control is ludacrious. You are controlled by the unholy Trinity of Me, Myself, and I. Your God is your stomach and your other passions. You've said it before - you are controlled by whatever you want to do. If you don't want to do it, you don't. A simplistic and childish way to live, but it is what controls you. I would much rather base my life on something time tested and proven and that doesn't totally depend on me and my whims and wishes. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
July 12th, 2018 at 12:39:18 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
While I appreciate your support for the dogma of Original Sin, it is not that bad. You speak so often in absolutes and without any nuance that I can hardly take you seriously.
That is not true. I am sure you have apologized and said you are sorry many times in your life. I also know that you have felt the need and desire for forgiveness in your life. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |