Simple question?

Quote: FrGamble

I think if you read Kamen you would see the many sources and evidence he uses

A book written by a Catholic who is a
shill for the Church? I think I'll pass.
The quote comes from a reader of his
book. Kamen is just like you. He quotes
a source, says it's terribly wrong, and
presents no source of his own to back
it up.

The hubris of you Church people is amazing.
You think you're authorities just because
you've been taught something. I post
sources and you shoot them all down,
just as Kamen does in his book, and you
think you're making a valid argument.

All the 'proof' you have for all your arguments
about your religion all turn out to be what
you've been taught, or worse, just your
opinion. Your Church ran 500 years of
horrible Inquisitions based just on their opinions.

What source have you posted?!? An anonymous reader of his book? Well excuse me, I stand corrected, That is irrefutable proof. Come on Bob if you think that is proof I worry about you. I also fail to see if that is the level of proof or sources you need why you can't look at all the praise from respected historians and Kamen's own CV and see that we are not dealing with a prejudiced fool. Again if you would open your mind enough to read something that would challenge your world view you would see that on many points concerning the Inquisition Kamen (and I) would agree with you. On many other points you would learn something to think about and reexamine your very poorly formed opinions.

Quote: aceofspades

So, "God" must obey the laws of physics?

No no no, god is outside the laws
of the universe, yet he can interact
in the universe. Kinda like Superman,
only Superman is more real than god.

Quote: FrGamble

What source have you posted?!?
.

I posted a paper written at a college,
you scoffed. I mentioned a book
written in 1888 that's a classic in
the field, you laughed. Just what I
said you would do before this
whole thing ever started.

Quote: Evenbob

No no no, god is outside the laws
of the universe, yet he can interact
in the universe.

Pretty good answer.

Quote: Evenbob

I posted a paper written at a college,
you scoffed. I mentioned a book
written in 1888 that's a classic in
the field, you laughed. Just what I
said you would do before this
whole thing ever started.

You posted an undergraduate thesis that you said compares the holcaust to the inquistion, which the author takes great pains in his abstract to make sure no one would take him as meaning. And you mentioned a book of historical fiction, of fiction Bob! I don't laugh as much as I shake my head in unbelief at your posts.

Quote: FrGamble

You posted an undergraduate thesis

Point being, whatever I come up with
you'll scoff, laugh, belittle. Exactly to
a tee what I said you'd do before all
this started. You said lets read a book,
and I said why bother. Remember?

Bob, my point is that you scoff at a respected renowned historian and instead you suggest fiction or a thesis that you think means something completely different than the author intends. I promise I won't laugh at any good suggestions you have. It is not my fault you refuse to offer a serious work of history to help us understand the Inquisition. However, I won't just accept whatever ridiculous suggestion you have and say; "okay Bob let's seriously discuss a work of fiction to help us learn more about this complicated and difficult time." Give us something good and I promise I won't scoff at it.

Quote: FrGamble

I promise I won't laugh...It is not my fault you refuse to offer.. I won't just accept whatever ridiculous.."

You crack me up because you think
your the one in charge all the time.
You took them seriously when they
gave you that white collar and told you
that the authority was yours now.

You think your job is to set everybody
straight with all that good stuff they
fed you for years in seminary. My
friend the ex priest calls it brain
washing. My job is to verify everything
you claim and so far I can verify none
of it. Is there a god? You have in no
way shown there is. Was Jesus god?
Nope. Not a single thing in your urban
legend religion can be verified.

People believe it because they were
raised in it and don't know any better,
or they aren't smart enough to see
the truth. It's the same with the Inquisition.
The Vatican has a position, and if it varies
wildly from what really happened, who
are you to question or argue with it.

I think the Vatican position is it is a stain on world history and the Church. I guess you disagree with them though don't you?

Everything I'm trying to say is from a position of not,being an authority and really wanting to learn. I keep thinking we could do that together unless you think you know it all already. Do you? I know I don't and I reckon there will be plenty of stuff in a study that would suprise us both.

In regards to God's existence and the reality of Jesus Christ radically changing human history. I know you won't listen to me. Perhaps we could read "Mere Christianity" together? I promise to you that if you read that book and still think there is no reason or evidence behind Christianity I will never bring it up again.