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December 31st, 2015 at 4:37:13 PM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 |
That isn't just some sect belief but the vast majority of Christians I've met believe that. There are plenty of bible verses they can use to substantiate it.
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December 31st, 2015 at 5:15:16 PM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18136 |
When I was told about it I was told it was an early American Protestant thing. Not just that you have to make the cut but that if you are not chosen at birth you will never make it, ever. I am pretty sure they do not preach this line anymore. What you might be hearing is that they feel "chosen." Or I could be wrong, I have never met anyone who believes the predestined thing. I've mostly lived in heavy-Catholic towns all my life. The President is a fink. |
December 31st, 2015 at 5:31:42 PM permalink | |
pew Member since: Jan 8, 2013 Threads: 4 Posts: 1232 | What you're describing is Calvinism as in John Calvin. The puritans were Calvinistic in their soteriology (how a person actually comes to be saved) Calvin said people are so depraved they are unable to even seek God on their own let alone become saved by any action on their part. Rather, God predestined from eternity past (not at birth) the "elect" that would come irresistibly to Christ. There's way more to it but that's the gist. |
December 31st, 2015 at 5:34:53 PM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18136 |
That rings a bell. I somewhat agree on people being so depraved, from reading divorce paperwork alone. The President is a fink. |
December 31st, 2015 at 5:51:33 PM permalink | |
pew Member since: Jan 8, 2013 Threads: 4 Posts: 1232 | Good observation. TOTAL depravity, 100% depraved sin loving God hating reprobates deserving strict judgement of a righteous and holy God. That's the T in TULIP. Limited atonement is the L which means that Christ did not die for the whole world, just the elect. I skipped the U. For now...... |
December 31st, 2015 at 6:29:57 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
That myth actually makes more sense than the myth that he died for everybody. Have you met 'everybody'? You want to spend 5min with most of them, let alone eternity? This whole thing wasn't very well thought out. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
January 1st, 2016 at 3:43:06 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
So I'm right and it's all about toadying up to an evil deity, in order to be "saved" from that deity's torture chamber? How's that different from a protection racket? Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
January 1st, 2016 at 3:44:43 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
That strikes me as true to Jehovah's character as portrayed by the various authors of the Bible. A sadistic deity who'd create people for the purpose of torturing them forever. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
January 1st, 2016 at 4:45:53 PM permalink | |
pew Member since: Jan 8, 2013 Threads: 4 Posts: 1232 | They would respond with something like: a sovereign deity who creates people for His own good pleasure and righteously judges them. A reprobate non believer can never understand Gods sovereignty and therefore could never make sense of Gods judgement of the wicked and would think God to be a real jerkwad. |
January 1st, 2016 at 4:48:05 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
I don't mind their delusions, when they're not trying to impose them on everyone else. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |