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January 16th, 2016 at 5:42:11 PM permalink
Evenbob
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They have been searching for evidence
of the Exodus for 125 years and have
come up with nada. The Jews themselves
have been doing the research, they very
much wanted it to be true. Even they now
see they've been beating a dead horse.

"Israeli archaeologist Ze'ev Herzog provides the current consensus view on the historicity of the Exodus: “The Israelites never were in Egypt. They never came from abroad. This whole chain is broken. It is not a historical one. It is a later legendary reconstruction—made in the seventh century [BCE]—of a history that never happened.”

Just like the NT is a 'legendary reconstruction'
of something that never happened.
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January 16th, 2016 at 6:35:57 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Putting aside that you seem to be saying the absence of evidence is a proof, a claim that you would never grant to Theists, the archaeologist you quoted is wrong. Every study, including the ones you and others have linked to show that there was a certain migration, some legal and peaceful, others captured in war, of Near Eastern peoples and Canaanites into Egypt. Their cults and temples dot the landscape of important Egyptian cities and artwork.
January 16th, 2016 at 6:37:39 PM permalink
Dalex64
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Quote: FrGamble


this one talks about all the things that are probably different from the biblical depiction - number of people involved, who that group of people were.

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So, what we have been discussing here turns out to be vastly more important than just the question of whether the Exodus was historical. If the picture that I’ve been describing based on the facts that are known to us is correct, then those events were foundational to Judaism ever after.


this statement and ones near it are the same sorts of admissions mentioned in the wikipedia article, that the exodus, if it happened, wasn't like it was described in the bible.

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Kitchen happily admits that none of this proves that the Exodus actually occurred as described in the biblical texts


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a lot of words in that one. I think a safe summary here is also: if it happened, it didn't happen like the bible said.
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January 16th, 2016 at 6:47:22 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Kind of like the Genesis accounts of creation. It happened but not exactly like the book of faith concerned with transmitting religious truths records it. This has been known for millennium.
January 16th, 2016 at 7:32:05 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Dalex64
that the exodus, if it happened, wasn't like it was described in the bible.


It's the same with everything in the Bible.
IF it happened, it's nothing like it's described
in scripture. Especially the NT. If Jesus
existed, what he did and said got all blown
out of proportion to what really happened.
To the point that it would be unrecognizable
to anybody who was there. It's how all
urban legends get started. Nothing in the
NT is reliable, it must all be considered
myth.
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January 16th, 2016 at 7:35:41 PM permalink
TheCesspit
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Quote: FrGamble
Kind of like the Genesis accounts of creation. It happened but not exactly like the book of faith concerned with transmitting religious truths records it. This has been known for millennium.


But the Bible is the truth. But just a kind of truth?
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January 16th, 2016 at 7:36:32 PM permalink
Nareed
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There's more evidence for the Iliad than for the Exodus.
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January 16th, 2016 at 7:44:57 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Nareed
There's more evidence for the Iliad than for the Exodus.


Not true at all.
January 16th, 2016 at 7:47:04 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: TheCesspit
But the Bible is the truth. But just a kind of truth?


It is the truth, the most important truth - that necessary for salvation. But don't get it twisted. It is also historicaly true as seen through a religious lens.
January 16th, 2016 at 8:56:51 PM permalink
Dalex64
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So there is an entire culture and religion based on a founding story that has been shown to be inaccurate, and everyone has given up on trying to find out what really did happen.

It is yet another story in the bible where we can point out and say it didn't happen that way, and the "what might have happened" is either wishful thinking, or labeled as no longer relevant.

I think the truth to any and all of the events "documented" in the bible is very important, because entire cultures have based their societal rules and beliefs based on their belief at the time that the stories were true.

If the stories are not true, all of the beliefs that use them as a foundation fall like a house of cards. The reasons and justifications for why things are the way they are lack a critical base of fact and truth.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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