Newtown, Conn
December 18th, 2012 at 1:51:03 PM permalink | |
MidwestAP Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1 Posts: 22 |
And to be fair, she didn't need a semi-automatic weapon to defend herself either. |
December 18th, 2012 at 1:59:55 PM permalink | |
MidwestAP Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1 Posts: 22 |
Drugs are a largely self-inflicted, to each his own and I have little sympathy for those who use. The four instances mentioned are the larger recent events. According to wikipedia "Gun-related death rates in the United States are eight times higher than they are in countries that are economically and politically similar to it. Higher rates can be found in developing countries and those with political instability." Also, "The incidence of homicides committed with a firearm in the US is much greater than most other advanced countries. In the United States in 2009 United Nations statistics record 3.0 intentional homicides committed with a firearm per 100,000 inhabitants; for comparison, the figure for the United Kingdom, with very restrictive firearm laws (handguns are totally prohibited, for example) was 0.07, about 40 times lower, and for Germany 0.2." I find it hard to even get my head around the idea that this isn't worth getting worried about or trying to address. |
December 18th, 2012 at 2:00:41 PM permalink | |
FarFromVegas Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 3 Posts: 121 |
A guy slashed 22 kids with a knife in China. All 22 lived. My s-i-l is active with SafeKidsUSA and no one fights against keeping kids safe in cars. My kids have to wear helmets when riding bikes. We worry about everything worth worrying about. But cars are transportation and bikes are toys (for a kid) and guns are weapons. Assault weapons are weapons meant to kill a lot of people quickly, not hunt with or use in self defense. You bet they're something worth worrying about. You can keep building straw men to fight against but I will continue fighting against real things. This space for rent |
December 18th, 2012 at 2:02:34 PM permalink | |
Face Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 61 Posts: 3941 | As we continue, let me clear something up. "Assault rifle" is one of those things the media repeats for a "ZOMG!" reaction. Many of these weapons, including the one used by Lanza, are not assault rifles. An assault rifle must have the capability of selective fire in order to be an assault rifle. The military uses assault rifles. The BoA Bandits used assault rifles. Lanza used a gun. Just because a gun has a modern look and is made of composite materials makes it no more deadly or dangerous than the typical wood and metal based rifles that look more at home in the woods. They have the same capabilities, fire the same round, and have the same performance. A gun based on an assault rifle platform does not an assault rifle make. Saying it's so is no different than saying you could win the Sprint Cup because you purchased a new Monte Carlo from the dealership, "just like Jimmie Johnson's". I don't say this to be nitpicky or make anyone feel stupid. But a debate based on false information goes nowhere. Be bold and risk defeat, or be cautious and encourage it. |
December 18th, 2012 at 2:06:30 PM permalink | |
FarFromVegas Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 3 Posts: 121 |
Well, then there are a whole bunch of just plain' ol' guns that need to go. Enough. I grew up in a shooting household, BTW. NRA memberships back when the NRA stood for gun education and safety and not advocacy. My dad was captain of his Navy pistol team. We kids learned target shooting with air pistols. But this shit has gotten out of hand. Seriously. Now I have to go cook. You apologists will have to carry on with limited opposition for a while. Enjoy. This space for rent |
December 18th, 2012 at 2:10:30 PM permalink | |
MidwestAP Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1 Posts: 22 |
Fair enough, my understanding based on what I read is that the Bushmaster rifle Lanza used is an M-16 assault rifle knock off, if that's not the case I stand corrected on the term 'assault rifle'. How many rounds can it fire without reloading? |
December 18th, 2012 at 2:38:30 PM permalink | |
Face Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 61 Posts: 3941 |
Depends on State law. Here in NYS, that would be 10. If you mean just all out in general, then infinite, provided you had an infinite magazine. Regardless, it means nothing. See below... These are the exact same gun. Both fire a .30 caliber round, both are semi-automatic. Both will fire as many rounds as you can feed it. Given a task of killing many things as fast as possible, I'd take the wooden one. I can reload it faster. "AR" designations, "scary" looks, it all means nothing. The problem, and the solution, lies deeper. Be bold and risk defeat, or be cautious and encourage it. |
December 18th, 2012 at 3:16:46 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 188 Posts: 18631 |
Actually, I think people have forgotten just how many crazed shooting episodes over their years we've had. One could probably film all of them in sequence and it might last a couple days. KEY WORDS HERE --EASY/ AVAILABLITY. Knowing I assume, there were going to be citizens shooting from the ground with their personal guns (which there were in Texas), he ascended 28 stories. Still killed 13, and wounded 32
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
December 18th, 2012 at 3:55:19 PM permalink | |
AcesAndEights Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 6 Posts: 351 |
Worth noting is the definition of "assault rifle" vs."assault weapon". The former seems to have a hard definition (capable of fully-automatic or burst operation). The latter seems much more mungible and I have seen many news articles refer to Lanza's primary weapon as an "assault weapon" as opposed to rifle. Are those accounts incorrect? Are they technically correct but attempting to sensationalize the issue?
Is the wooden gun above capable of accepting a high-capacity magazine? I ask because the picture makes it unclear. The lower gun is depicted with a magazine attached. Also, for reference, Lanza rigged his magazines "jungle style" to ease reloading. This article doesn't have a definite answer on the number of rounds contained in each magazine. "You think I'm joking." -EvenBob |
December 18th, 2012 at 4:01:01 PM permalink | |
Ayecarumba Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 89 Posts: 1744 | More stories of how legal gun owners used their weapons to stop criminals here
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