Ash Wednesday
March 2nd, 2017 at 3:10:33 PM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18204 |
AFIK it is a Catholic-only thing. Ditto with Stations of the Cross. Holy Week pretty much any Christian denomination I have heard of is the lead to Easter though Catholic is only one I know of has the full Good Friday service. Catholic Church has almost always been more ceremonial than Protestants. That is why the Protestants broke off in the first place, desire for a more simple service. Fr Gamble, jump in here and correct me if I am missing something or incorrect. The President is a fink. |
March 2nd, 2017 at 3:19:26 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
I thought Luther's problem was the Church didn't follow the Bible, it made up too much of what it did. He also had a bug up his butt about indulgences, which were out of control at that time. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
March 2nd, 2017 at 3:23:23 PM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18204 |
There were many complaints. Indulgences were one. But also several splits. The President is a fink. |
March 2nd, 2017 at 8:01:29 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Ash Wednesday is really growing in popularity. I held two ecumenical services that day with brothers and sisters from the Lutheran and Episcipalian Churches. The same for the Stations of the Cross and Good Friday and even Holy Thursday. It wasn't so much the simplicity of a service that the Protestants were after, but rather reform of certain practices of some of the clergy who had become more like wealthy and greedy princes than servants to the people of God. The selling of indulgences was the most egregious example of the abuse of the clergy. These were not official Church teachings or policies of course but they were fairly common in some parts of the Church and the powers that be should have stopped them. Martin Luther called them out on these practices and they were stopped. It is interesting to think that if Martin Luther came back today he would have no problem with the Catholic Church which did eventually reform, thank God. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
March 2nd, 2017 at 8:03:55 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
There is no teaching of the Church that is against the Bible. The practices of the day went against Luther's conception of God's justification as a free gift for all sinners. This was eespecially true, as you correctly pointed out, in the abuse of indulgences. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
March 2nd, 2017 at 8:30:38 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
But lots of teachings of the Church that aren't in the Bible, that was Luther's problem with it. And my Baptist father in law ministers. Don't get him started on the Church, he says it's run by the devil. He's 90, my wife says he was much worse 50 years ago. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
March 2nd, 2017 at 8:41:41 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | I'm glad he is getting better. We need to make a distinction between in the Bible or against the Bible. There is nothing in the Bible against doing things that aren't in the Bible as long as they aren't against the Bible. Follow me there. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
March 2nd, 2017 at 8:52:25 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
It's called making up a religion and then foisting it off as Christianity. C'mon, Mary is no more divine than my one mother was. That is to say, not at all. Islam stole most of the OT, added a few things and had a new religion. The Mormons confiscated the NT, added their own spewings, and presto. How is the Catholic Church any different. Take the orig NT and embellish embellish embellish. Oldest game in the world. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
March 2nd, 2017 at 9:02:04 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Remember your history, Christianity was Catholicism for the first 1500 years or so.
Congratulations on a very correct and true statement. I knew you could do it. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
March 2nd, 2017 at 10:25:29 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
I always make that mistake. Mary is no more sitting up nights answering prayers than my own dead mother is. You people treat Mary so much like a god I always forget she's not 'divine'. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |