President Obama foreign travel very different from Bush
May 25th, 2017 at 10:06:25 AM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | US, Canada, and Mexico are the only countries in the Western Hemisphere to operate widebodies as Head of State aircraft. The other countries must refuel even to get to Europe. |
May 25th, 2017 at 1:16:33 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
If they never train to do it, then they won't be able to do it safely and reliably, especially in an emergency when the president is on board. That's actually a picture of an E4-B. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-4 They are also based on the 747-200, and preceded the VC-25 into service. It is possible that they never practice the mid air refueling in the two VC-25s, and restrict their training to the E-4s. I coudn't find a picture of a VC-25 being refueled mid-air. You can really see how big the 747 is compared to the 707-based KC-135. You can also see that it is an old picture - the KC-135 has not been re-engined. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
May 25th, 2017 at 1:41:45 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
The 747 is bigger than all airplanes except the A380, the C-5 and whatever the Russian Antonov is called. the KC-135 is a modified B-707. The 747 was conceived to be as big as at least two 707s. So... Does the USAF still operate the KC-10? It must be fun extending the refueling probe right below an active engine :) The next generation tanker will be based on the 767 Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
May 25th, 2017 at 3:18:13 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
I think they have done the procedure several time on the E4-B. (Number built 4 | Unit cost US$223 million in 1998 dollars). I just don't think they do it on one of the two VC-25s. It is my personal feeling that risking an accident with a VC-25 is not worth it, both in terms of cost and in terms of exposure to the public. Both the E4-B and the VC-25 were derived from the Boeing 747-200 and I think that the procedures can be considered similar enough for practical purposes. The definitive answer to this question is almost certainly classified. Even the budget of the Secret Service is classified. When the GAO analyzed the cost of foreign travel in the Clinton administration, they could essentially only count the cost of the jets in the air. PRESIDENTIAL TRAVEL Costs and Accounting For the President’s 1998 Trips to Africa, Chile, and China http://www.gao.gov/archive/1999/ns99164.pdf |
May 25th, 2017 at 4:41:25 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
Looks like the kc10 is still flying, but they only made about 60 of them, vs about 800 kc135s (worldwide) "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
May 25th, 2017 at 4:53:58 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | The President and First Lady holding hands while landing in Sicily on the final leg. |
May 26th, 2017 at 7:28:53 AM permalink | |
ams288 Member since: Apr 21, 2016 Threads: 29 Posts: 12528 |
Wonder how much he had to pay her to get her to hold his hand? After the two instances on this trip where she got caught on camera swatting his hand away when he reached for hers, I'm sure negotiations were tough... “A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman |
May 26th, 2017 at 7:31:33 AM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | Again with the white-knuckle grip on the railing. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
May 26th, 2017 at 7:37:34 AM permalink | |
terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11791 | I am surprised Trump isn't demanding an escalator upon landing and departure Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
May 26th, 2017 at 7:50:49 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
I think the technical term is "paying through the nose." Makes sense. Don't you think she knows what those hands have been grabbing? Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |