Should Women be punished for abortion

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April 1st, 2016 at 8:01:56 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
A return to the healthy sexual morality.


Contraception works fine most of the
time, and it's getting more advanced
as we move into the future. It works
too well in some countries. Japan is
facing a glut of old people and isn't
replacing them with enough new
babies. I think some countries in EU
are the same. They're going to face
massive Muslim populations there
if they don't watch it. Muslims love
to have big families.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
April 1st, 2016 at 8:09:52 PM permalink
Dalex64
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Quote: FrGamble
A return to the healthy sexual morality and healthy families is the only way to make a difference in the numbers you quote and the staggering number of abortions every year. Why we are not as a society doing more I simply do not understand.


Great. Why don't you start with your own house, the Catholics?

https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2012/02/guttmacher-statistic-catholic-womens-contraceptive-use

" 99% of all women of reproductive age who have ever had sex— including 98% of such Catholic women—have used a method of
contraception other than natural family planning."

"By their early 20s, some 79% of never-married women—and 89% of never-
married Catholic women—have had sex."

"The above statistics on women who have ever used contraceptives are not
to be confused with data on women who are currently using contraceptives.
Among women who are currently at risk of unintended pregnancy, 88% overall—and 87% of Catholics—use a method other than natural family
planning."

"Among all women who are at risk of unintended pregnancy, 69% (including 68% of Catholics) are currently using a highly effective contraceptive
method—male or female sterilization, the IUD, the pill or another hormonal method. Another 14% (15% among Catholics) are relying on condoms, and
5% (4% among Catholics) are relying on other methods, such as
withdrawal. Only 1% of all women at risk of unintended pregnancy (2% of
Catholics) use natural family planning, the only method of contraception
sanctioned by the Catholic hierarchy."

Http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Catholic/2001/01/The-Catholic-Abortion-Paradox.aspx

" non-Hispanic Catholic women of childbearing age are 29% more likely than their Protestant counterparts to have abortions (full study*). The rate is even higher--33%--if Hispanics are factored in. Another way of looking at it: while Protestant women make up about 54% of the population, they account for only 37% of the abortions. Catholic women make up 31% of the population and account for 31% of the abortions."

I guess this time I'll say - if you can't convince your own followers, why do you think you would be able to convince anyone else?

One more comment - I would love it if everyone thought abortion was so abhorrent that they would never do it, and plan ahead to avoid unwanted pregnancies, and if they did have an unwanted pregnancy, to carry the child to term and put it up for adoption rather than having an abortion.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan
April 1st, 2016 at 8:29:22 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
It works
too well in some countries. Japan is
facing a glut of old people and isn't
replacing them with enough new
babies.


Actually there are some interesting studies linking pornography, not contraception, to the decline in birthrates in Japan.
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April 1st, 2016 at 8:37:00 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Dalex64

I guess this time I'll say - if you can't convince your own followers, why do you think you would be able to convince anyone else?


Good question, I don't know. I do know that it is hard to stand up in a river and everything in our culture and our society is sweeping people towards the falls in regards to sex and family. I guess it stands to reason that Catholics and many others who may even know intellectually what they should be doing are swept away. I don't think the answer needs to be or can be a Catholic thing but we all need to open our eyes and see what recreational sex and the failure of a contraceptive mindset has done to us. Look again at the stats petro quoted and see how many millions of babies are aborted every year. Why in the world are we not doing something about this!?!? Maybe, I'm out of the loop and don't recognize how awesome sex must be, but come on people, can we not control ourselves? Can we not begin to encourage respect and reverence for each other, especially towards women. Can we not stop sexualizing each other and everything that we want to sell to each other? Can we not stop the hook-up, one-night-stand culture that is so disastrous physically, emotionally, and spiritually?

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One more comment - I would love it if everyone thought abortion was so abhorrent that they would never do it, and plan ahead to avoid unwanted pregnancies, and if they did have an unwanted pregnancy, to carry the child to term and put it up for adoption rather than having an abortion.


me too.
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April 1st, 2016 at 9:55:39 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Dalex64


I guess this time I'll say - if you can't convince your own followers, why do you think you would be able to convince anyone else?
.


We just showed a few weeks ago that
Catholic girls are more likely to be
promiscuous then Protestant girls.
So it figures that Catholics would
have more abortions.

Is there a clearer sign that what
you teach in Catholic schools
doesn't work? This is nothing
new, Catholic girls have always
had the rep for being 'easy', for
giving sex freely.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
April 1st, 2016 at 10:01:19 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
Maybe, I'm out of the loop and don't recognize how awesome sex must be.


Sex isn't awesome most of the time,
usually never for most people. For
girls it's worse then for men. Their
self esteem is all tied up in it, they
want men to like them. For some
reason Catholic girls are taught in
Catholic schools to not respect
themselves very much, and to
depend on boys liking them as a
source for their self esteem. Many
hookers were brought up Catholic,
something in your system is sending
these girls the wrong message.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
April 2nd, 2016 at 7:26:55 AM permalink
Fleastiff
Member since: Oct 27, 2012
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Wrong message?
There is such a thing as Catholic girl's wedding night...wherein the priests teachings that a woman should try to get pregnant on her honeymoon kicks in no matter stage of her menstrual cycle she is in.

Radical feminists claim that if men could get pregnant abortion would be a sacrament.
The KKK claims that its all them colored folk's abortions that has lowered our crime and welfare rates and that saves them from having to go out at night with ropes in their hands looking for tall trees and uppity colored folk trying to look white women directly in the eye.
Docs from the Middle East just love abortions ... or rather the federal money they get for them.

Of course how often do you take your opinions from radical feminists, the KKK or Middle Easters Scam artists?
April 2nd, 2016 at 10:04:45 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: FrGamble
I'm sorry if I forgot to explicitly answer the scenario. I would save the one year old baby.


Of course you would. You are a good man. And deep inside you know the difference between a real live baby and some frozen embryos.

I am not sure how you would answer the next hypothetical... but I know I would take the cash..... Save the frozen embryos or the stash of $10,000,000 that will burn? If you save the cash you keep it for yourself.... (or donate to charity if you wish)
April 2nd, 2016 at 8:43:23 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: SOOPOO
Of course you would. You are a good man. And deep inside you know the difference between a real live baby and some frozen embryos.


I do know the difference between frozen embryos and a live baby, but the difference is NOT in their dignity as human persons. Those embryos are in a state where their life is very much in danger, they cannot feel pain, and even if implanted many might not make it. Science and religion both clearly point out that they are unique and unrepeatable human beings with a full set of DNA that just given a chance those embryos will become different and amazing people like you or me. We can keep playing these games all day if we wanted to, and we can replace the embryos with the president or a murderer, or a sick person going to die in a few weeks but none of it is really addressing the issue that I think we all agree on - we were all embryos just like them once in our lives and thank God we weren't frozen, but if we were I am sure that you and I would both hope that someone would chose to rescue us rather than take 10 million dollars.
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April 2nd, 2016 at 9:42:20 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Quote: FrGamble
....- we were all embryos just like them once in our lives and thank God we weren't frozen, but if we were I am sure that you and I would both hope that someone would chose to rescue us rather than take 10 million dollars.
Rather selfish, don't you think?
The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW
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