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Pilot Fatigue Rules

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Poll

	There should be a hard and fast cut off time.		6 votes (60%)
	No rules -- let the market decide.		No votes (0%)
	Some hybrid policy -- like Wizard's idea.		2 votes (20%)
	Other (explain)		1 vote (10%)
	I'm slow to learn new technology.		2 votes (20%)
	I have lots of records but nothing to play them on		1 vote (10%)
	Lara Logan.		1 vote (10%)
	I miss the Spanish Word of the Day.		1 vote (10%)
	They should lower the gambling age to 4.		1 vote (10%)
	I'm an anarchist.		3 votes (30%)

10 members have voted

May 8th, 2016 at 12:44:53 PM permalink
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095	Quote: DRich I would like to hear from Babs on this one. I'm trying to get her attention for her two cents. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber

May 8th, 2016 at 2:03:07 PM permalink

Pacomartin

Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Practically every government regulation in existence places an arbitrary limit to something subjective. Blood Alcohol content, voting age, driving age, age of consent, hearing damage, etc. With anything to do with safety the government usually has made the regulation more conservative as the result of some accident.

I mean, look at "seats in upright position". On the outside chance that you try and evacuate a plane, or for a small increase of the possibility of whiplash, they want your head 3" forward. Tell me what slows down evacuation time more, the seat head being angled back 3", or the reduction of seat pitch from 33"-34" to 28"-30"?

Why would you think that pilot fatigue laws would be any less arbitrary?

May 8th, 2016 at 3:17:22 PM permalink
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18210	Quote: Pacomartin Why would you think that pilot fatigue laws would be any less arbitrary? The thing about fatigue is you do not notice it until well past when it is affecting you. Hence erring on the side of caution. The President is a fink.

May 8th, 2016 at 9:42:54 PM permalink

Fleastiff

Member since: Oct 27, 2012
Threads: 62
Posts: 7831

There is a difference between merely being arbitrary and being both arbitrary and capricious.

Transiting a 0.8 DUI jurisdiction while most of your trip is 1.0 seems strange, but fatigue is hardly measurable and is not based solely on "hours" but is influenced by rest breaks, actual sleep, ambient noises, beautiful women in bars, quality of food, etc.

I had an instructor who kept giving the wrong Call Sign to the tower.... he had endured an overnight flight and was definitely fatigued.
I once saw a CHP car drive onto an exit ramp... hot, dehydrated, tired?

Usually there are safety factors but those margins keep getting eroded so why erode the fatigue margin. Keep it.

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