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May 28th, 2016 at 12:38:11 PM permalink
Evenbob
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This is very confusing to atheists. Is there
two gods, one for Christians and one for
Muslims. Or is it the same god they both
get their marching orders from. Pope Paul
II said this in a speech to Muslims in 1985:

“We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection”

Even Pope Francis has said it's the same god.
Yet the flagship of evangelical schools, Wheaton
College, has stated emphatically that 'Muslims
and Christians do not worship the same God.'
Last winter they punished a professor for claiming
Islam has the same god as Christianity.

This is just more evidence for atheists that there
is no god at all. Both Catholics and Protestants claim
god speaks to them personally every day. Our own
resident priest, FrG, has claimed this many times.
Yet this god can't even keep his story straight among
his own followers. He's apparently telling popes he's
the god of Islam, and telling Billy Graham he's not.

To an atheist, it's just self deluded people talking to
themselves. Again..
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May 28th, 2016 at 1:08:06 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: Evenbob
Yet this god can't even keep his story straight among
his own followers. He's apparently telling popes he's
the god of Islam, and telling Billy Graham he's not.


It's a good point. Before coming down on us atheists, those leaders for god should be getting more consistent messages

FrGamble should thoroughly research Billy Graham, and ask himself why god would tell the Pope different things. Graham has been no slouch as far as faith.

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Evangelist Billy Graham took Christ literally when He said in Mark 16:15, “Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature.”

Mr. Graham has preached the Gospel to more people in live audiences than anyone else in history—nearly 215 million people in more than 185 countries and territories—through various meetings, including Mission World and Global Mission. Hundreds of millions more have been reached through television, video, film, and webcasts.


http://billygraham.org/about/biographies/billy-graham/
You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really?
May 28th, 2016 at 1:18:51 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: rxwine
It's a good point. Before coming down on us atheists, those leaders for god should be getting more consistent messages


If there was a god, you'd think the most
important thing on his agenda would be to
remain consistent. This god of Moses and
Mohammad is anything but consistent. It's
why atheists have no problem taking the
position we do.
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May 28th, 2016 at 1:26:41 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Quote: Evenbob
If there was a god, you'd think the most
important thing on his agenda would be to
remain consistent. This god of Moses and
Mohammad is anything but consistent. It's
why atheists have no problem taking the
position we do.
It appears that xtianity and islam are franchises of judaism. Churches are "business models" of a tax exempt racket.

Jesus seen the money flow from the OT and wanted to branch out. Follow the money.

I just read a story about the Cherokee indians hiding their children when the baptists came around, so the xtians didn't steal their children.
The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW
May 28th, 2016 at 1:28:23 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Quote: Evenbob
If there was a god, you'd think the most
important thing on his agenda would be to
remain consistent.
But he has infinite opinions, no sense in repeating a single thought.
The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW
May 28th, 2016 at 1:59:09 PM permalink
petroglyph
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May 28th, 2016 at 2:18:49 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: petroglyph
http://myfirstclasslife.com/wc/5382873036/?utm_campaign=32111102946&utm_medium=gemini&utm_source=gem-32111102946_n_j2032&jtag=457b89718e60db0ed43aec94eff825f6 The fifty wealthiest pastors


Half of them are black, even half the top
10 are black. Christianity is big business,
the Vatican has hundreds of billions in
accumulated wealth. Is this what the
reformed preacher taught? I don't think
so. But he had no idea a religion was
going to be started in his name and he
would be called a god. He would have
been appalled. If the same god is running
Islam, where is all their wealth.
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May 28th, 2016 at 6:54:14 PM permalink
Dalex64
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You've heard the answer before.

There is only one god, but only the catholics have properly interpreted his nature and what he wants.

Everyone else just exists in states of misunderstanding of varying levels of severity.

How do we know? Because they told themselves so.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan
May 28th, 2016 at 7:23:47 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Dalex64
You've heard the answer before.


True, in fact Evenbob is often the one to give us the answer. Us poor believers just believe what we are told, humanity is very gullible he is often telling me. Why he doesn't turn that thought and apply it to this question as to why there are so many religions is puzzling.

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There is only one god, but only the catholics have properly interpreted his nature and what he wants.


It is helpful to remember that Christianity is indeed an offshoot of Judaism. Christianity claims to be its fulfillment in fact, the awaited Messiah who fulfills the prophecies of old has come in the person of Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, Messiah, or Anointed One. In regards to Catholics you have to remember that it wasn't until the 16th century that another Christian denomination or official Church existed. As Nareed points out there were heresies and some popular ones but the Bishop of Rome and successor of St. Peter who was charged by Christ Himself to lead the Church has held to the true faith as testified to in the Scriptures.

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Everyone else just exists in states of misunderstanding of varying levels of severity.


Correct. Except of course for the small minority of atheists they are completely wrong.

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How do we know?


The Bible, Tradition, and the ever ancient, ever new teaching of the Church.
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May 28th, 2016 at 7:46:08 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: FrGamble
In regards to Catholics you have to remember that it wasn't until the 16th century that another Christian denomination or official Church existed.


We're at war with Eurasia. We've always been at war with Eurasia.
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