Trump's disdain for data & analytics

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June 6th, 2016 at 11:30:41 AM permalink
reno
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Apparently Trump is not interested in hiring a robust team of computer nerds to crunch the numbers.

Quote: Washington Post
Data helps campaigns be more efficient and effective. Data helps campaigns figure out which voters to contact, what to say, and how best to reach them. Data helps campaigns more efficiently buy television and digital advertising to reach targeted groups of voters. Data underlies message testing and the experiments that help campaigns figure out who is persuadable and what messages will persuade them. Data underlies the email and web design testing that can result in millions of additional dollars and volunteers... [But] the infrastructure required to gather, manage, integrate and update data is costly and technology-intensive and demands considerable expertise.


Quote: The Hill
Donald Trump’s apparent uninterest in using data and analytics in his campaign is putting pressure on the Republican National Committee (RNC), which could be forced to fill the gaps in the general election... In an interview with The Associated Press last month, Trump called data “overrated” and said he plans to rely mostly on rallies and media interviews to propel his campaign.

In my mind, the most glaring flaw in Trump's approach is his competition: the shrewd, calculating Clintons will do whatever it takes to win.

Quote: NBC News
Hillary Clinton has been building her data operation since she launched her campaign, but Trump has largely dismissed its importance.


Does it matter? Will it cost Trump the election? Will Trump change his mind?

If it's true that Hillary is investing millions on data & analytics, my prediction is that Trump is bringing a knife to a gun fight.
June 6th, 2016 at 11:37:17 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Romney and McCain invested millions in data gathering. Got them nowhere. Trump is using his understanding of human nature and how people operate and so far it has worked well. Hillary will look at all the data and sound programmed.

Data does not win elections. Personality wins them.
The President is a fink.
June 6th, 2016 at 12:19:37 PM permalink
ams288
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Quote: reno
Does it matter? Will it cost Trump the election?


No.

His personality, racism, crudeness, misogyny, lack of knowledge on the issues, lack of any real policy positions, etc., will cost him the election.
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June 6th, 2016 at 12:27:01 PM permalink
ams288
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Quote: AZDuffman
Romney and McCain invested millions in data gathering. Got them nowhere. Trump is using his understanding of human nature and how people operate and so far it has worked well. Hillary will look at all the data and sound programmed.

Data does not win elections. Personality wins them.


Not quite.

Republicans' data collection operations were significantly behind Obama's in both 2008 and 2012, no matter how many millions they invested.

The post-2012 Autopsy report called this out.
“A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman
June 6th, 2016 at 12:31:17 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: ams288
His personality, racism, crudeness, misogyny, lack of knowledge on the issues, lack of any real policy positions, etc., will cost him the election.


One can hope.

I, for one, look forward to the day after the election, when the Trumpkins will explain how exactly they really won.
Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER
June 6th, 2016 at 4:19:20 PM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: ams288
His personality, racism, crudeness, misogyny, lack of knowledge on the issues, lack of any real policy positions, etc., will cost him the election.


Or give it him -- especially the racism part.
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June 6th, 2016 at 4:20:54 PM permalink
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I, for one, look forward to the day after the election, when the Trumpkins will explain how exactly they really won.


Anyone interested in betting that if Trump loses he initially, at least, contests the results? Perhaps it could be judged by whether he makes a concession speech within 24 hours of CNN declaring Clinton the winner?
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June 6th, 2016 at 4:26:13 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Wizard
Anyone interested in betting that if Trump loses he initially, at least, contests the results? Perhaps it could be judged by whether he makes a concession speech within 24 hours of CNN declaring Clinton the winner?


Sucker bet :)
Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER
June 6th, 2016 at 5:02:12 PM permalink
ams288
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Quote: Wizard
Anyone interested in betting that if Trump loses he initially, at least, contests the results? Perhaps it could be judged by whether he makes a concession speech within 24 hours of CNN declaring Clinton the winner?


I've thought about this a lot. Will there ever be a concession speech from Trump? Even if he gets blown out?

Who knows. It's going to be a nasty election. I could definitely see him refusing to concede gracefully.
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June 6th, 2016 at 5:03:38 PM permalink
reno
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Quote: AZDuffman
Data does not win elections. Personality wins them.


You should read this. (It's written by a right-wing blogger.)

Quote: National Review
[Obama's] analytics team had polling data from about 29,000 people in Ohio alone — a whopping sample that composed nearly half of 1% of all voters there — allowing for deep dives into exactly where each demographic and regional group was trending at any given moment. This was a huge advantage: when polls started to slip after the first debate, they could check to see which voters were changing sides and which were not. “We were much calmer than others,” said one of the officials. The polling and voter-contact data were processed and reprocessed nightly to account for every imaginable scenario. “We ran the election 66,000 times every night,” said a senior Obama official, describing the computer simulations the campaign ran to figure out Obama’s odds of winning each swing state. “And every morning we got the spit-out — here are your chances of winning these states. And that is how we allocated resources.

This isn’t to say a data-driven turnout operation is a magic bullet; it’s a tool. In a close race, it could be decisive, but most years it is just going to be one of many factors. But why would Donald Trump, or any other candidate not want to have this tool?


Think of it this way: if the Trump campaign's advertising budget for the general election is $200 million, should they:

Option A) Spend all $200 million on producing ads & buying airtime

Or

Option B) Spend $180 million on producing ads & buying airtime. Then divert the other $20 million to build a data & analytics operation to figure out how to precisely target specific messages to specific audiences in specific markets so that the $180 million is allocated wisely.

You'll get far more bang for the buck with Option B.
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