Trump vs Hillary 2016

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June 12th, 2016 at 8:34:39 PM permalink
Evenbob
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DT's 2nd nuke. But you really can't come here
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June 13th, 2016 at 8:03:14 AM permalink
Nareed
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The speed with which people rush to politicize each and every terrorist attack is sickening. This is expected of politicians anyway, of course, regardless of other considerations.

That said, Trump was by far the worst. His initial statement had not one word of sympathy for the victims or their families. Rather it was all about him. The he "appreciates the congrats," and then it's all about what he wants.

We expect all politicians to be narcissists and egotists, yes, but we also expect them to show empathy and compassion. Trump has none.
If Trump where half as smart as he thinks he is, he'd be twice as smart as he really is.
June 13th, 2016 at 8:18:04 AM permalink
ams288
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Quote: Nareed
The speed with which people rush to politicize each and every terrorist attack is sickening. This is expected of politicians anyway, of course, regardless of other considerations.

That said, Trump was by far the worst. His initial statement had not one word of sympathy for the victims or their families. Rather it was all about him. The he "appreciates the congrats," and then it's all about what he wants.

We expect all politicians to be narcissists and egotists, yes, but we also expect them to show empathy and compassion. Trump has none.


Trump had such an awful week last week, that it is no surprise he welcomed this terrorist attack with open arms.

He thinks it will help him win over voters. He wants us to be as scared as possible.

No one else was stupid enough to call for an unconstitutional Muslim ban, so now Trump gets to double down on it.
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June 13th, 2016 at 8:45:38 AM permalink
Nareed
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No one else was stupid enough to call for an unconstitutional Muslim ban, so now Trump gets to double down on it.


Now that "his" party is criticizing him for his bigotry, he's begun attacking said party.

A few of the conservatives most in denial mode are wishing out loud that Trump can be unseated at the convention. It won't happen, but perhaps someone will try. If they do, it will probably fizzle then and there, and it won't got past some news reports and a couple of wishful thinking editorials. But there's also a chance it will gain enough traction to launch a rebellion at the convention.

If, then, the GOP goes on to have a full civil war at the convention, with factions going at it with symbolic nukes, the damage done to the party will be vast. But also as nothing compared to what a Trump campaign will do to the GOP.
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June 13th, 2016 at 9:15:59 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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No one else was stupid enough to call for an unconstitutional Muslim ban, so now Trump gets to double down on it.


Such a ban is not unconstitutional. Where do you get this stuff?

The USA needs to wake up to the fact that islam is a problem. 50 dead in a mass shooting I guess is not the wake-up call some need.

Regardless of if you know good muslims or not, the fact is there is a problem. PC is going to kill more and more people. It killed 50 yesterday. Killed many in San Bernadino earlier this year. PC will keep on getting people killed. At what point will the rest of the nation realize this?
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June 13th, 2016 at 10:04:11 AM permalink
ams288
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Such a ban is not unconstitutional. Where do you get this stuff?


The Constitution.
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June 13th, 2016 at 10:11:15 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: AZDuffman
Such a ban is not unconstitutional. Where do you get this stuff?


Your statement has me curious. The Chinese Exclusion Act was the first law implemented to prevent a specific ethnic group from immigrating to the United States Wikipedia contains the statement, "Once the Chinese Exclusion Act (CEA) was finally passed in 1882, California went further by passing various laws that were later held to be unconstitutional."

But it doesn't say that CEA itself was unconstitutional. The CEA was repealed by the Magnuson Act on December 17, 1943.

Hiram Leong Fong (Chinese: 鄺友良) (October 15, 1906 August 18, 2004), was an American businessman and politician from Hawaii. He is most notable for his service as Republican United States Senator from 1959 to 1977, and for being the first Asian American and Chinese American to be elected as such. In 1964, Fong became the first Asian American to run for his party's nomination for President of the United States. To date, he is the only Republican to ever hold a Senate seat from Hawaii and the only Asian American to actively seek the presidential nomination of the Republican Party until Bobby Jindal in the 2016 primaries .
June 13th, 2016 at 10:31:54 AM permalink
TheCesspit
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Quote: AZDuffman
Such a ban is not unconstitutional. Where do you get this stuff?

The USA needs to wake up to the fact that islam is a problem. 50 dead in a mass shooting I guess is not the wake-up call some need.

Regardless of if you know good muslims or not, the fact is there is a problem. PC is going to kill more and more people. It killed 50 yesterday. Killed many in San Bernadino earlier this year. PC will keep on getting people killed. At what point will the rest of the nation realize this?


Immigration controls would not have stopped a US citizen, born and raised in the US. The father immigrated into the US 30 years ago. Running from the Russian/Afghan war. Immigration controls stopping citizens of certain countries enter the US would probably legal, and if Trump made that his policy, it'd be sane and reasonable.

But he doesn't. He wants the US to ban based on religion... which is contestable under the First Amendment. The US can't start deporting people based on the religious beliefs. You have a constitution that says it can't.

I'd suggest that Gun Controls would be as likely to stop mass shootings and terrorist attacks as immigration controls. And by 'as likely' I mean not much change at all. But the second Amendment rights are also pretty clear. You can't restrict guns completely.

But this is all politicizing bullshit.

PC didn't kill 50 people.

A homophobic man with a AR-15 killed 50 people. A homophobic, Muslim American terrorist man, pulling the trigger again, and again, and again. That killed 50 people.

Fifty people. That's more than this entire board has regularly posting.

50 folks who just wanted to laugh and dance and hold hands. Their only sin according to the shooter was what they liked to dance, laugh, hold hands and kiss people of the same sex as themselves. PC says that we should live and let live, and let people express their sexuality. PC didn't kill these people. PC let these people freely assemble without (supposedly) fear of repression.

Political Correctness killed fifty people? Nonsense. Complete utter bullshit with flags and sparklers in. Intolerance killed 50 people.
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June 13th, 2016 at 10:34:13 AM permalink
TheCesspit
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They are neither stupid not rhetorical. What is wrong with protecting your border? It is natural and been done for years.

Mexico has a wall on their southern border to prevent illegals from entering. So why is it OK for them but not for the USA?!


By the way. I ask again. What wall?
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June 13th, 2016 at 10:39:30 AM permalink
Nareed
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By the way. I ask again. What wall?


As far as I know, there's no wall at either of Mexico's southern borders.

Also as far as I know, most of Mexico's enforcement to keep out undocumented immigrants is because they make their way to the US, which pressures Mexico to keep them out. Even so, it's not much of a priority.

What is true is that Mexicans can be as xenophobic as the average American appears to be. And it's at this point that one likes to say "Two wrongs don't make a right."
If Trump where half as smart as he thinks he is, he'd be twice as smart as he really is.