Revenge of the Dreamliner
June 11th, 2016 at 10:15:43 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjournals/blog/seat2B/2016/06/revenge-of-the-dreamliner-how-boeings-787-is.html Revenge of the Dreamliner: How Boeing's 787 is changing travel Jun 9, 2016. The above article is basically a very upbeat story about the Dreamliner's success. The author states, I'm amazed at how quickly the Boeing 787 has shaken off its shaky start and become a mainstay of global aviation. The plane is literally remaking the world's route map. Boeing says the 787 has pioneered at least 100 routes between cities that have never before had nonstop links. It thinks there might eventually be 400 such routes. |
July 30th, 2016 at 12:18:40 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | At 431 Dreamliners delivered 787 Model Summary (orders-delivered=unfilled) through June 2016 787-8 431- 306 = 125 787-9 571- 125 = 446 787-10 153- zero = 153 787 Total 1155- 431 = 724 United has 12 Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner 16 Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner American has 17 Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner Delta made the decision to go with Airbus A350 which they may regret as that program now appears rocky. Dreamliners have been delivered up through line number #438 and they are being produced at a rate of roughly 12 per month. Aeroméxico has nine Boeing 787-8 Dreamliners. The orders for the last 4 Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners are line numbers #483, #502, #507, #541. At this point they will probably retire their four 12 year old Boeing 777-200s. As the Boeing 767s have already been retired, they will be an all Dreamliner widebody fleet probably within a year. |
July 30th, 2016 at 5:12:32 PM permalink | |
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | There is an advantage to a "unified" fleet. One set of parts, one set of technicians, one set of maintenance manuals, one set of time estimates for inspections and repairs, pilot interchangeability, one set of flight simulators, one program of simulations. Plus it seems the Dreamliner widebody is a good plane so Aeromexico made the right choice. |
July 30th, 2016 at 5:19:06 PM permalink | |
terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11791 |
Yup That's Southwest Airlines advantage Boeing 737 is all they fly Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
July 30th, 2016 at 6:03:49 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Jetblue broke the model established by SWA. Jet Blue Fleet Matrix 130 Airbus A320~10.9 Years 30 Airbus A321~1.5 Years 60 Embraer ERJ-190~6.6 Years <========================
AeroMexico has always been loyal to Boeing / McDonnel Douglas. Fleet history with widebodies 6 McDonnell Douglas DC-10 HISTORIC 16 Boeing 767 HISTORIC 4 Boeing 777 ~12.6 Years (TO BE RETIRED SHORTLY) 9 Boeing 787 Dreamliner~2.1 Years with 4 upcoming this year |
August 1st, 2016 at 6:44:59 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Aeromexico doesn't contract aircraft suppliers, it marries them. In the 70s, 80s and part of the 90s, they had an all McDonnell Douglass fleet, with the DC-9 as the workhorse. I don't think they allowed Boeing in, until after it acquired McD. Then they switched to the 737 workhorse and added 767 and 777 and now 787 for long haul. The Embraer regional jets they also use, are nominally owned and operated by their subsidiary Aeromexico Connect. Mexicana, on the other hand, was always more eclectic. in the 80s they operated largely B-727s, but also a handful of DC-10s. In the 90s they went with Airbus, acquiring A-318s/319s/320s/321s to replace the 727, but they used B-767s for long haul and Fokkers for regional routes. On other things, according to Wikipedia, Interjet has 10 A321neos on order. I wonder what they plan to use them for. Possibly longer flights than they currently operate? their longest routes are to Lima and Bogota. I wonder how much farther the A321neo, especially the LR variant, would let them go. There are quiet rumors going around that Jet Blue may be looking at JFK-LHR routes using the A321neo. I suppose Mint has much to do with it. They can offer a cheaper premium fare on transcontinental routes than the legacy airlines do, so it would make sense to offer that, as well as a cheaper coach fare, on transatlantic routes. Still, it's a 6+ hour flight. A long time to be cooped up inside a narrow body in coach. The trend, it seems continues. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
August 1st, 2016 at 9:37:32 AM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
The fact that Jet Blue is considering TransAtlantic routes with the new A321neo is not really a quiet rumor. I find it difficult to believe that Heathrow will welcome narrow bodies (other than those by British Airways or short flight to Ireland and Europe). They are extensively renovating the terminals, and they seem to want widebodies. passengers per flight 142.9 Terminal 2 – Star Alliance (opened on 4 June 2014) 197.5 Terminal 3 – One World (Due to be demolished by 2019) Opened 1961 172.4 Terminal 4 – SkyTeam alliance (Opened in 1 April 1986) 153.4 Terminal 5 – British Airways (Opened 27 March 2008) From Gatwick Norwegian Air Shuttle is flying Dreamliners to Boston, Fort Lauderdale, Las Vegas (begins 31 October 2016), Los Angeles, New York–JFK, Oakland, Orlando–International, San Juan |
August 1st, 2016 at 11:03:02 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
It took me a while to pick it up :)
Sure. I wouldn't even bet on Gatwick taking them. London City probably can't support an A321 for a long flight (I mean, for the famous banker's shuttle they require the far lighter A318!). That leaves the other one or two other airports in/around London. No idea whether any would do or be willing to take Jet Blue. Also no idea whether there's an airport close to London but nominally in another city. Then, too, Jet Blue might up and choose some other destination for its transatlantic flights. The competition between NYC and London is fierce and the market is full. Maybe they'll go to an off-the-beaten-path place they think they can make money on. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
August 1st, 2016 at 1:04:52 PM permalink | |
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | Sure, but how many of their PASSENGERS will want to go to that off the beaten path the airline selects. The airport designator code is CPITMON. Sounds somewhat Scottish. SeePitMon. It stands for Cow Pasture In The Middle Of Nowhere. Perhaps those on the Bankers Special will switch and then take a nice long, but cheap shuttle by oxcart or something. |
August 1st, 2016 at 4:22:10 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
The A318 accommodates 107 passengers in a typical two-class cabin configuration or a maximum of 132. Fuel Capacity is 6,400 gallons. The plane couldn't come close to taking off with a full load of passengers from London City's 5000' runway. Even tiny John Wayne airport in Orange County CA has a 5700' runway. The British Airway's "banker's shuttle" only can operate because it has only 32 lie flat seats, and on the East-West flight to JFK, it only takes off with enough fuel to get to Shannon Airport (391 miles) where it refuels to fly the 3000 miles to JFK. In 1986 a United States border preclearance facility was opened at Shannon, eliminating the need to go through immigration on arrival in the United States. On one of the two flights to JFK they permit people to pass through US customs in Shannon airport so they don't have to be bothered in New York. The other flight arrives when the Customs office is closed. So London City is out of possibility for a full size narrow body. Airports that are considered London Area, but actually in other cities. Stansted (30 miles | 10,000' runway|22.5 MAP) and Luton (29 miles | 7000' runway |12.2 MAP) are smaller airports with train service to London. Neither of them has trans-Atlantic service as of today. LHR LCY 22 mi LHR LTN 28 mi LHR STN 41 mi LCY SNN 391 mi LHR DUB 280 mi SNN JFK 3,081 mi |