The Bible God or Kali

July 9th, 2016 at 11:28:54 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
Oh my God! I can't believe you would say this! Truth is truth.


But you don't deal in real truth, you
deal in hypothetical truth. You take
a whole lot of unproven things for
granted to arrive at your 'truth'. That
original sin is real, that Jesus was made
by god, that he rose from the dead,
that he sits in heaven worrying about
everybody and answering prayers.

None of that is truth to me, it's myth and
nonsense. None of it can be proved, so
why even consider it. It's just a story, and
there are lots of stories just as good as
that one that aren't true either.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
July 9th, 2016 at 11:41:21 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
Or you could talk about God to think about where we came from? Why we are here? Is there meaning or purpose to my life? Is there life after death? Will I be held accountable for my life? How should I treat others? Who are we as human beings? Is there right or wrong? Am I free? Are we different than everything else? Who is God? Has He/She/It revealed Him/Her/Itself to us in any way? What can we learn about creation? Does nature teach us anything?


What a mish-mash of unrelated ideas. Why are we
here, why does there have to be a reason. Is there
meaning to our life, only what we give it. Will I be
held accountable, I already hold myself accountable,
don't you? How should I treat others, that's instinctive,
even animals know how to treat others in their pack.

Is there right and wrong, it changes with the situation.
Killing in war is right, killing my neighbor because I
don't like him isn't. Am I free, I have no idea what this
means, free of what. Who is god, I don't know, I see
no god, so he's nothing to me. What about creation,
I see no creation, so what about it. You think you see
one, that's your mistake.

See, all those questions are easily handled with no god
involvement at all. Easy peasy..
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
July 9th, 2016 at 11:49:45 AM permalink
Evenbob
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This is exactly right. It's like they live in a bizarro world where up is down and left is right.


If you start with a false premise, that god is
real, you then have to construct a bizarro world
where everything fits together.

If you took 10 men from 10 different religions,
and put them in identical suits and lined them
up with shaved heads, could you guess what
their religion was? You could not, because all
gods exist in peoples heads, and they don't
exist anywhere else. God is a thought, god
is an idea, he can only be found in the head
of a believer. The same place Santa and unicorns
live..
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
July 9th, 2016 at 1:17:37 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
Here's how it works, and this is how I did it.
You start with neither premise. You study
and you read and you eventually come to
a conclusion.


Please for the love of God tell me what evidence or logical argument you came across to reach the conclusion that there is certainly no God!
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July 9th, 2016 at 1:21:40 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob

None of that is truth to me, it's myth and
nonsense. None of it can be proved, so
why even consider it. It's just a story, and
there are lots of stories just as good as
that one that aren't true either.


First of all there is no greater story than the Gospel. Have you ever noticed that every good story, movie, or book always in some way reflects the story of Jesus Christ. Anyway, you seem to harp on the fact that it can't be proved. There are lots and lots of things about this life that you believe that cannot be proved without a reasonable doubt. How come in none of these things are you called stupid for believing in them but in the one thing that while not proven beyond a doubt can be shown to have huge amounts of evidence pointing to it, namely the belief in God, you cannot bring yourself to believe it and call others ridiculous who do?
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July 9th, 2016 at 1:25:16 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Please for the love of God tell me what evidence or logical argument you came across to reach the conclusion that there is certainly no God!


I came across the same evidence for there
being a god as I did for no god. That is,
none. That makes god a non starter, a
non subject.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
July 9th, 2016 at 1:28:36 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
First of all there is no greater story than the Gospel.


There are lots of better stories, but they're
all just stories. You must know that even the
Jesus story, about being born of a virgin and
rising from the dead, is told in many earlier
stories from that region of the world. Look
it up sometime, the Jesus story is far from
unique.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
July 9th, 2016 at 1:30:32 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
Why are we here, why does there have to be a reason.


You answered with a good question one that furthers the depth of our discussion. Don't just leave it there.

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Is there meaning to our life, only what we give it.


Is that true? What if we give our life no meaning or we give our life exaggerated meaning? Is everyone right no matter what meaning they may give themselves? If I give meaning to my life as a secret agent spy is that true?

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Will I be held accountable, I already hold myself accountable,
don't you?


Yes, but I am not a perfect judge, especially in dealing with myself. What if you don't hold yourself accountable or are blind to your mistakes; does that mean you are not responsible for those actions? What about people who don't hold themselves accountable and get away with horrible crimes, will they ever be held accountable?

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How should I treat others, that's instinctive,
even animals know how to treat others in their pack.


So you should attack the weaker guys and take their mates or leave the old and sick to die? Or do humans have very different instincts than every other animal.

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Is there right and wrong, it changes with the situation.


In what situation is it right to rape a little girl or kill an innocent person? What if everybody believes slavery is okay, does that make it right?

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Am I free, I have no idea what this
means, free of what.


Are you a slave to the chemical reactions in your brain or do you have a free will that can either control what the brain thinks or a will that is located separately than the brain, perhaps the rational soul that can overcome the commands of our feelings, emotions, or passions?

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Who is god, I don't know, I see
no god, so he's nothing to me.


Is anything you can't see nothing to you?

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What about creation,
I see no creation, so what about it.


What do you see? Where does stuff come from?

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See, all those questions are easily handled with no god
involvement at all. Easy peasy..


Ha, I laughed very hard when I read this, as you can see from above there is nothing easy about any of these questions and their is precious little that science can teach about the answers to these big questions.
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July 9th, 2016 at 1:31:17 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
I came across the same evidence for there
being a god as I did for no god. That is,
none. That makes god a non starter, a
non subject.


So why did you conclude one way and not the other? Was it just because that is where you started? Why did you start there?
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July 9th, 2016 at 1:34:52 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
So why did you conclude one way and not the other?


That's what you do when you look at both
sides of something, you make a conclusion.
Unfortunately, it was made it was made for
you by your upbringing. You're incapable
of being impartial. Joseph Campbell you are
not..
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.