The Bible God or Kali
July 9th, 2016 at 7:36:43 PM permalink | |
Aussie Member since: May 10, 2016 Threads: 2 Posts: 458 |
Like I said, bizarro world! |
July 9th, 2016 at 8:13:16 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
You would make a very poor scientist. You cannot have a bias and do the work properly. You will always be trying to prove your bias, and ignore what doesn't fit. When looking for god, you have to start in a neutral position. Compare all the arguments on either side and you will reach the conclusion you can neither prove or disprove gods existence. If you want to be a believer anyway, that's the problem you deal with. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 10th, 2016 at 12:15:13 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
I agree we both start in the neutral position that there may or may not be a God.
I'm still with you here. While you can prove logically that there is a God/Being/Force/uncaused cause/first mover, etc., you cannot prove that this "God" is Jesus Christ without believing in revelation and through personal experience.
The difference comes in here. I want to be a believer because I believe I have credible evidence for God in the person of Jesus Christ and my personal loving relationship I have with Him. You still have no evidence either way and yet you chose not the neutral position but rather the atheist position. Why is that? Are you biased? Do you want to be a non-believer. If that is so it is your problem and you should deal with it. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
July 10th, 2016 at 1:23:00 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Don't kid yourself. You want to be a believer because that's what you were taught all your life and you don't know any better. If you had a neutral upbringing like I did, we would both be atheists. You never had a chance.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 10th, 2016 at 10:33:41 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Not getting into my personal history, which you know nothing about, you still haven't said what moved you from being neutral to being an atheist. Were you biased or did you just want to be an atheist? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
July 10th, 2016 at 10:53:06 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
I can mention hundreds of stories with better plotting, ideas, characters and plain stories, including even some from the Bible. Look up a Trek Deep Space Nine ep called "Whispers," it's mind-blowing. Or see also from Trek The Next Generation's "Best of Both Worlds part I and ][," or "The Measure of a Man." Or Asimov's "Nightfall," "The End of Eternity," and "The Naked Sun." Robert Heinlein's "Friday," and "The Door To Summer." Niven's "The Integral Trees" and its sequel "The Smoke Ring." That's just in Science Fiction.
Sure. So many stories end up with the son of Jehovah inexplicably crucified by Roman Legions, I've lost count. Let's see, of the ones I've seen and know about, hmmmm, let's see: Three! Yup. That's a near infinite number, insofar as 3 and seven hundred quadrillion are as near to infinity as makes no difference. Bu then infinity minus one is as close to infinity as infinity minus forty two septillion quadrillion trillion, so....
This reminds me: any progress in your attempt to prove I do not have evidence to the fact that no gods can exist? Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
July 10th, 2016 at 11:18:07 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
How many of them have an underdog, poor person, an unknown or someone looked down upon by soceity that rises up to win an amazing battle, how many find the hero in an impossible situation ready to give up all hope, betrayed by even his friends yet fights on, how many involve the hero sacrificing his well being for the sake of others, how many have a hero who is seemed to be dead or defeated only to come back again to lead and be victorious.
I think I have made it clear that you cannot have evidence proving something that is false is true. It is a logical impossibility. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
July 10th, 2016 at 11:26:53 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
You mean like in Homer's Iliad and Odyssey? And are you saying Jesus only seemed dead but wasn't?
I'm not asking you to prove what I can and cannot have, but what I do or do not have. I assumed the difference would be clear. As Douglas Adams once noted: we cannot call "impossible" something that's happened. I have such evidence, therefore it is possible for me to have it. Can you prove that I don't? Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
July 10th, 2016 at 11:39:24 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
At one point a couple years ago you said you were raised Catholic. Are you now saying you weren't? You said you had a bumpy stretch in your teens, I think, but got over it. You and Face were talking about it a couple years ago.
I've said what many atheists have said, I woke up one day and realized I was an atheist. It's not a revelation, it's not a religious experience. Somewhere along the line it just happens. You read and you study and over the years it just happens. You don't decide, it just becomes overwhelmingly obvious that there is no god. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 10th, 2016 at 1:08:42 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 188 Posts: 18556 | Often, I'm happy to embrace the agnostic view. But sometimes after reading several of FrGamble's crazy ass explanations, I drift into strong atheism. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |