The billion dollar move and the overseas market
August 23rd, 2016 at 8:58:36 AM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | Of the 26 movies that made a billion dollars worldwide , only one has not made the majority of it's money overseas. None are R-rated, and most would fall loosely into the category of family films. The James Bond film "Skyfall" does stretch the limits of family films. Only four are animated, but the expectations of animated films is increasing.
Do you think movies are getting more stupid to appeal to the entire world , in particular the non-English speaking world? |
August 23rd, 2016 at 10:15:14 AM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | There is also a tendency to grow a franchise by increasing the percentage of overseas sales. Disney seems to be particularly good at this skill. Marvel Cinematic Universe has released 13 films, and Pirates of Caribbean is working on their 5th for next summer. Year Overseas % Title Worldwide Studio 2008 48.80% The Incredible Hulk $263.40 Uni. 2008 45.60% Iron Man $585.20 Par. 2010 49.90% Iron Man 2 $623.90 Par. 2011 52.30% Captain America: The First Avenger $370.60 Par. 2011 59.70% Thor $449.30 Par. 2012 59.00% Marvel's The Avengers $1,519.60 BV 2013 66.30% Iron Man 3 $1,215.40 BV 2013 68.00% Thor: The Dark World $644.60 BV 2014 56.90% Guardians of the Galaxy $773.30 BV 2014 63.60% Captain America: The Winter Soldier $714.40 BV 2015 65.30% Ant-Man $519.40 BV 2015 67.30% Avengers: Age of Ultron $1,405.40 BV 2016 64.60% Captain America: Civil War $1,152.30 BV 2003 53.30% Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl $654.30 BV 2006 60.30% Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest $1,066.20 BV 2007 67.90% Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End $963.40 BV 2011 76.90% Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides $1,045.70 BV |
August 23rd, 2016 at 11:41:28 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
As I said in another thread, if it's made in the US it has the golden stamp of approval in a lot of countries. H-wood knows this so they worry less and less about making crap. They know most of what they churn out will at least break even. It's like gambling. If you know 75% of your bets will break even, and the rest will win, you will bet with reckless abandon, what do you have to lose. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
August 23rd, 2016 at 5:21:49 PM permalink | |
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 |
The trouble is that most of Hollywood is Show. Get your car washed 3x weekly or people will think you are not doing well and funding dries up, lunches dry up, you have to start ordering from the menu at a restaurant and people stop returning your calls. |
August 23rd, 2016 at 6:03:51 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
In 2013 Sony's stock is down a staggering 85% from its peak, and the company has only reported one quarterly profit in 5 years. Sony has also lost its leadership position in electronics to Apple, Samsung, and other companies, and is in desperate need of revitalization. Daniel Loeb, the American billionaire, pilotly wrote a letter suggesting that they cut the entertainment division loose, with the extremely expensive management that was producing very low revenue compared to expenses. Skyfall had been an unmitigated success for Sony, but MIB 3,Total Recall (remake),White House Down, and After Earth were the highest profile failures at the time. Sony 2012 (domestic revenue) 4 Skyfall Sony $304,360,277 7 The Amazing Spider-Man Sony $262,030,663 14 MIB 3 Sony $179,020,854 19 Hotel Transylvania Sony $148,313,048 21 21 Jump Street Sony $138,447,667 32 Zero Dark Thirty Sony $95,720,716 51 Hope Springs Sony $63,536,011 55 Total Recall (2012) Sony $58,877,969 65 Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance Sony $51,774,002 75 Here Comes the Boom Sony $45,290,318 88 That's My Boy Sony $36,931,089 97 The Pirates! Band of Misfits Sony $31,051,126 106 Premium Rush Sony $20,275,446 Sony 2013 (domestic revenue) 17 American Hustle Sony $150,117,807 ($40 m budget) 21 Grown Ups 2 Sony $133,668,525 ($80 m budget) 26 Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 2 Sony $119,793,567 ($78 m budget) 32 Captain Phillips Sony $107,100,855 ($55 m budget) 35 This is the End Sony $101,470,202 ($32 m budget) 46 White House Down Sony $73,103,784 ($150 m budget) 49 The Smurfs 2 Sony $71,017,784 ($105 m budget) 59 After Earth Sony $60,522,097 ($130 m budget) Totals: $816,794,62 This year (last 365 days), the only real Sony dud was Ghostbuster. But budgets are considerably smaller than 3 years ago. Spectre Sony $200,074,609 ($245 m budget) Ghostbusters (2016) Sony $124,050,035 ($144 m budget) Hotel Transylvania 2 Sony $169,700,110 ($80 m budget) The Angry Birds Movie Sony $107,452,667 ($73 m budget) The 5th Wave Sony $34,912,982 ($38 m budget) Concussion (2015) Sony $34,542,474 ($35 m budget) Risen Sony $36,880,033 ($20 m budget) Sausage Party Sony $67,343,645 ($19 m budget) The Shallows Sony $54,521,429 ($17 m budget) |
August 23rd, 2016 at 9:04:46 PM permalink | |
Ayecarumba Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 89 Posts: 1744 |
Was "Spectre"'s budget really 245 million? If so that is a big egg in their basket. The total of all the smaller films isn't that close. |
August 23rd, 2016 at 10:10:44 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
But it made 880 mil total. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
August 23rd, 2016 at 11:04:15 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Well, yes it was a lot of money. But Skyfall was such an astounding success financially and critically, that you have to pay your people more money to get them to come back. If the production budget on the four Daniel Craig films totalled $800 million, Daniel Craig was paid $50 million for all four. The Producers have offered him $100 million to do two more films, but surprisingly he has turned them down. Craig has appeared in 20 films above and beyond the four James Bond films, none of which have been blockbusters. He is said to have been paid $17m to star in three films in 2011; Cowboys & Aliens, Dream House, and The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. It's an awfully big payday to walk away from. Casino Royale Sony $599.0 (budget $150 million) Quantum of Solace Sony $586.1 (budget $200 million) Skyfall Sony $1,108.6 (budget $200 million) Spectre Sony $880.7 (budget $245 million) With the benefit of hindsight, Ghostbusters was much more of a risk at a $144 million budget than $245 million for Spectre. Ghostbuster's performance domestically was weak, but it had no appeal to the foreign market. |
August 23rd, 2016 at 11:58:49 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
I wonder if it's because in most parts of the world women are still second class citizens and the macho attitude is alive and well. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
August 24th, 2016 at 4:09:10 AM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | In 2011, Kristen Wiig co-wrote and starred in Bridesmaids (2011), along with Melissa McCarthy, which pushed both women into boxoffice megastardom. They are two of the stars of Ghostbusters. These kind of characters , rude vulgar women, are almost nonexistent in much of the world. |