The billion dollar move and the overseas market

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August 23rd, 2016 at 8:58:36 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Of the 26 movies that made a billion dollars worldwide , only one has not made the majority of it's money overseas. None are R-rated, and most would fall loosely into the category of family films. The James Bond film "Skyfall" does stretch the limits of family films.

Only four are animated, but the expectations of animated films is increasing.

    Overseas Title Year Worldwide Notes
  1. 77.8% Transformers: Age of Extinction 2014 $1,104.10
  2. 76.9% Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides 2011 $1,045.70
  3. 76.7% Furious 7 2015 $1,516.00
  4. 72.7% Avatar 2009 $2,788.00 $Two Billion Re-released
  5. 72.5% Skyfall 2012 $1,108.60
  6. 71.6% Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 2011 $1,341.50
  7. 71.0% Minions 2015 $1,159.40 ANIMATED
  8. 70.3% The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey 2012 $1,021.10
  9. 69.9% Titanic 1997 $2,186.80 $Two Billion Re-released
  10. 68.6% Frozen 2013 $1,276.50 ANIMATED
  11. 68.6% Transformers: Dark of the Moon 2011 $1,123.80
  12. 67.4% Alice in Wonderland (2010) 2010 $1,025.50
  13. 67.3% Avengers: Age of Ultron 2015 $1,405.40
  14. 66.6% Zootopia 2016 $1,023.20 ANIMATED
  15. 66.3% Iron Man 3 2013 $1,215.40
  16. 66.3% The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King 2003 $1,119.90 Re-released
  17. 64.6% Captain America: Civil War 2016 $1,152.30
  18. 61.1% Toy Story 3 2010 $1,067.00 ANIMATED
  19. 61.0% Jurassic World 2015 $1,670.40
  20. 60.9% Jurassic Park 1993 $1,029.20 Re-released
  21. 60.3% Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest 2006 $1,066.20
  22. 59.0% Marvel's The Avengers 2012 $1,519.60
  23. 58.7% The Dark Knight Rises 2012 $1,084.90
  24. 54.7% Star Wars: The Force Awakens 2015 $2,068.20 $Two Billion
  25. 53.8% Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace 1999 $1,027.00 Re-released
  26. 46.8% The Dark Knight 2008 $1,004.60 Re-released


Do you think movies are getting more stupid to appeal to the entire world , in particular the non-English speaking world?
August 23rd, 2016 at 10:15:14 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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There is also a tendency to grow a franchise by increasing the percentage of overseas sales. Disney seems to be particularly good at this skill. Marvel Cinematic Universe has released 13 films, and Pirates of Caribbean is working on their 5th for next summer.

Year Overseas % Title Worldwide Studio
2008 48.80% The Incredible Hulk $263.40 Uni.
2008 45.60% Iron Man $585.20 Par.
2010 49.90% Iron Man 2 $623.90 Par.
2011 52.30% Captain America: The First Avenger $370.60 Par.
2011 59.70% Thor $449.30 Par.
2012 59.00% Marvel's The Avengers $1,519.60 BV
2013 66.30% Iron Man 3 $1,215.40 BV
2013 68.00% Thor: The Dark World $644.60 BV
2014 56.90% Guardians of the Galaxy $773.30 BV
2014 63.60% Captain America: The Winter Soldier $714.40 BV
2015 65.30% Ant-Man $519.40 BV
2015 67.30% Avengers: Age of Ultron $1,405.40 BV
2016 64.60% Captain America: Civil War $1,152.30 BV

2003 53.30% Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl $654.30 BV
2006 60.30% Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest $1,066.20 BV
2007 67.90% Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End $963.40 BV
2011 76.90% Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides $1,045.70 BV
August 23rd, 2016 at 11:41:28 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Pacomartin

Do you think movies are getting more stupid to appeal to the entire world , in particular the non-English speaking world?


As I said in another thread, if it's made
in the US it has the golden stamp of
approval in a lot of countries. H-wood
knows this so they worry less and less
about making crap. They know most of
what they churn out will at least break
even.

It's like gambling. If you know 75% of your
bets will break even, and the rest will win,
you will bet with reckless abandon, what
do you have to lose.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
August 23rd, 2016 at 5:21:49 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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Quote: Evenbob
It's like gambling. If you know 75% of your bets will break even, and the rest will win, you will bet with reckless abandon, what do you have to lose.


The trouble is that most of Hollywood is Show. Get your car washed 3x weekly or people will think you are not doing well and funding dries up, lunches dry up, you have to start ordering from the menu at a restaurant and people stop returning your calls.
August 23rd, 2016 at 6:03:51 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Fleastiff
The trouble is that most of Hollywood is Show. Get your car washed 3x weekly or people will think you are not doing well and funding dries up, lunches dry up, you have to start ordering from the menu at a restaurant and people stop returning your calls.



In 2013 Sony's stock is down a staggering 85% from its peak, and the company has only reported one quarterly profit in 5 years. Sony has also lost its leadership position in electronics to Apple, Samsung, and other companies, and is in desperate need of revitalization. Daniel Loeb, the American billionaire, pilotly wrote a letter suggesting that they cut the entertainment division loose, with the extremely expensive management that was producing very low revenue compared to expenses.

Skyfall had been an unmitigated success for Sony, but MIB 3,Total Recall (remake),White House Down, and After Earth were the highest profile failures at the time.


Sony 2012 (domestic revenue)
4 Skyfall Sony $304,360,277
7 The Amazing Spider-Man Sony $262,030,663
14 MIB 3 Sony $179,020,854
19 Hotel Transylvania Sony $148,313,048
21 21 Jump Street Sony $138,447,667
32 Zero Dark Thirty Sony $95,720,716
51 Hope Springs Sony $63,536,011
55 Total Recall (2012) Sony $58,877,969
65 Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance Sony $51,774,002
75 Here Comes the Boom Sony $45,290,318
88 That's My Boy Sony $36,931,089
97 The Pirates! Band of Misfits Sony $31,051,126
106 Premium Rush Sony $20,275,446

Sony 2013 (domestic revenue)
17 American Hustle Sony $150,117,807 ($40 m budget)
21 Grown Ups 2 Sony $133,668,525 ($80 m budget)
26 Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs 2 Sony $119,793,567 ($78 m budget)
32 Captain Phillips Sony $107,100,855 ($55 m budget)
35 This is the End Sony $101,470,202 ($32 m budget)
46 White House Down Sony $73,103,784 ($150 m budget)
49 The Smurfs 2 Sony $71,017,784 ($105 m budget)
59 After Earth Sony $60,522,097 ($130 m budget)
Totals: $816,794,62

This year (last 365 days), the only real Sony dud was Ghostbuster. But budgets are considerably smaller than 3 years ago.
Spectre Sony $200,074,609 ($245 m budget)
Ghostbusters (2016) Sony $124,050,035 ($144 m budget)
Hotel Transylvania 2 Sony $169,700,110 ($80 m budget)
The Angry Birds Movie Sony $107,452,667 ($73 m budget)
The 5th Wave Sony $34,912,982 ($38 m budget)
Concussion (2015) Sony $34,542,474 ($35 m budget)
Risen Sony $36,880,033 ($20 m budget)
Sausage Party Sony $67,343,645 ($19 m budget)
The Shallows Sony $54,521,429 ($17 m budget)
August 23rd, 2016 at 9:04:46 PM permalink
Ayecarumba
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Quote: Pacomartin

This year (last 365 days), the only real Sony dud was Ghostbuster. But budgets are considerably smaller than 3 years ago.
Spectre Sony $200,074,609 ($245 m budget)


Was "Spectre"'s budget really 245 million? If so that is a big egg in their basket. The total of all the smaller films isn't that close.
August 23rd, 2016 at 10:10:44 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Ayecarumba
Was "Spectre"'s budget really 245 million? If so that is a big egg in their basket. The total of all the smaller films isn't that close.


But it made 880 mil total.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
August 23rd, 2016 at 11:04:15 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Ayecarumba
Was "Spectre"'s budget really 245 million? If so that is a big egg in their basket. The total of all the smaller films isn't that close.


Well, yes it was a lot of money. But Skyfall was such an astounding success financially and critically, that you have to pay your people more money to get them to come back.

If the production budget on the four Daniel Craig films totalled $800 million, Daniel Craig was paid $50 million for all four. The Producers have offered him $100 million to do two more films, but surprisingly he has turned them down. Craig has appeared in 20 films above and beyond the four James Bond films, none of which have been blockbusters. He is said to have been paid $17m to star in three films in 2011; Cowboys & Aliens, Dream House, and The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. It's an awfully big payday to walk away from.

Casino Royale Sony $599.0 (budget $150 million)
Quantum of Solace Sony $586.1 (budget $200 million)
Skyfall Sony $1,108.6 (budget $200 million)
Spectre Sony $880.7 (budget $245 million)


With the benefit of hindsight, Ghostbusters was much more of a risk at a $144 million budget than $245 million for Spectre. Ghostbuster's performance domestically was weak, but it had no appeal to the foreign market.
August 23rd, 2016 at 11:58:49 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Pacomartin
but it had no appeal to the foreign market.


I wonder if it's because in most parts
of the world women are still second
class citizens and the macho attitude
is alive and well.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
August 24th, 2016 at 4:09:10 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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In 2011, Kristen Wiig co-wrote and starred in Bridesmaids (2011), along with Melissa McCarthy, which pushed both women into boxoffice megastardom. They are two of the stars of Ghostbusters.

These kind of characters , rude vulgar women, are almost nonexistent in much of the world.
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