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Pittsburgh Airport
| August 30th, 2016 at 12:16:53 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
A lot of contractors make money on cost overruns. Brown Field, which is owned by San Diego city is 21 miles driving distance from SAN International Airport. Brown Field is 1.5 miles air distance from Tijuana Airport. Brown Field was opened in 1918 after WWI and now contains two runways 7,972' and 3,180'. Tijuana airport runway length is 9,711' and San Diego airport is 9,400' . The review committee rejected the idea of using Brown Field as a reliever airport for SAN airport. And that is with an existing airport that is closer than Ivanpah is to Las Vegas. There was an idea circulating in the late 1980's and early 1990's to build a cooperative airport with Tijuana. In the image the TIJ airport is to the left, the cross border secure enclosed walkways lead to a hypothetical parallel runway on the US side, and Brown Field is to the right.  The idea was that since you had to run people through security anyway, you wouldn't run them through customs but keep them in a secure zone where they could walk from USA to Mexico. If you wanted international flights you would go through customs. The implication was probably all international flights would fly into the TIJ runway. The idea remained at least theoretical until 9-11 when it was permanently killed. The current Cross Border Express is independent of airport security before boarding, but has only customs agents. Right now the flights are not cooperative as there is no American airline that flies into TIJ airport. TIJ airport has only two international destinations Aeroméxico - Shanghai–Pudong in China Volaris - Oakland CA Certainly Aeroméxico expects a number of people from San Diego county to use CBX to board the flight to Shanghai (instead of flying from SAN and changing planes in LAX or SFO). Typically, there are 10 daily flights from SAN to Oakland CA, so it seems unlikely that there is anyone who pays to use Cross Border Express (CBX) to fly Volaris to Oakland (and then goes through customs in Oakland). |
| August 30th, 2016 at 12:59:56 PM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
That's precisely why it would be much cheaper to set the money on fire.
Eventually they'll have to do as many other cities have done: build a new, larger airport elsewhere and close the current one down. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
| August 30th, 2016 at 2:35:15 PM permalink | |
| DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4967 | Paco, what would an airport such as Las Vegas Mccarran have to do to improve capacity by 20% or so? Would it be as simple as adding another runway and a few gates to be utilized during peak hours? At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |
| August 30th, 2016 at 3:41:47 PM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
It can get very complicated. Additional runways might help, but it depends on approaches, wind conditions and other factors. McCarran in particular can't change approach/departure routes easily, because of the Strip high-rises nearby. Simply placing the airport elsewhere, even with fewer runways, might provide more flexibility. You do need more gates to hold more flights. Unless you want to play with remote positions and buses. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
| August 31st, 2016 at 2:24:09 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
So from the 45.36 MAP in 2016 another 21.26% would take us to 55 MAP. So your question is what would it take to push McCarran 20% above the estimated maximum, i.e. to 66 MAP. I suppose the most obvious place is passengers per aircraft movement (takeoff or landing). While LAS will try to handle the A380 by next year, there are a very large number of regional aircraft that use the airport. While it may be impossible to get up to the level of LAX, ATL, or SFO we can observe that Phoenix and Denver have 15% more passengers per aircraft movement.
I think you could get another 5% by making better use of night flights. Mexico flies a lot at night, much more than USA. If you leave at 11PM -1AM then you can be at the East Coast by morning. Finally, it helps to have places to check your bags near the casinos. It would also help to have the monorail go right to the airport. That way people spend a lot less time at the airport because their bags are checked, and they are not worried about traffic. Now obviously nearly every airport in the United States is going to eventually hit capacity limits. The only exception is probably Denver, because the amount of land they have is normal for most cities. Denver has five 12,000' runways and one 16,000' runway so they can't run out of runway space. So this is not just a problem for Las Vegas. |
| August 31st, 2016 at 3:02:03 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | Another way to look at how efficient the runway is being used is the ratio of air carrier/air taxi operations. An Air Taxi is 60 passengers or less, Seattle has over 40 carrier operations (takeoff or landing) for every taxi operation. Ratio Facility State 43.9 SEA WA 16.5 MCO FL 13.3 JFK NY 10.6 MIA FL 9.2 LAX CA 8.6 SAN CA 8.3 ATL GA 7.9 BWI MD 7.8 TPA FL 7.3 MDW IL 6.6 PHX AZ 6.6 FLL FL 6.5 PDX OR 6.3 MEM TN 5.9 SFO CA 5.7 LGA NY 4.0 BOS MA 3.6 DEN CO 3.5 MSP MN 3.3 DCA DC 3.0 DFW TX 2.9 DTW MI 2.7 LAS NV 2.7 EWR NJ 2.5 SLC UT 2.5 PIT PA 2.4 CLT NC 2.3 CLE OH 2.2 ORD IL 2.2 STL MO 2.1 IAH TX 1.8 IAD VA 1.7 HNL HI 1.5 CVG KY 1.5 PHL PA |
| August 31st, 2016 at 8:15:46 AM permalink | |
| DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4967 | I occasionally fly out of Henderson executive airport which is about 10 miles from Mccarran. It seems they should move all private aircraft to there or the North Las Vegas airport to free up a few more landing spots for commercial flights. At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |
| August 31st, 2016 at 8:53:32 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
https://twitter.com/LizHabib/status/594650304869638144/photo/1 Airports claim that the FAA does not allow them to prohibit private aircraft from any airport. While that is true, airports make a great deal of money on private jets and are reluctant to make life uncomfortable for them. I think this was an even bigger concern at San Diego since the airport has only a single runway, |
| August 31st, 2016 at 10:28:29 AM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
On the bus to the south outlet mall, you can see a lot of private planes along with hangars on the side of McCarran facing LV Blvd. That's one reason I visit that mall more than the one up north (the kitchen supply store is the other). Now, don't private jets require a great deal of separation from commercial traffic? They're much smaller than regional jets. Even if they don't use up gates or other terminal resources, they use up approach/departure airspace and runway time. I suppose, though, as they tend to stay at the airport overnight often, they generate a great deal of income in parking fees. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
| August 31st, 2016 at 11:48:41 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Yes. A private jet is a huge user of runway assets, even more than a regional jet. I think that the airport authority collects landing fees from private jets, same as commercial jets. But the real income is from the contract with the Fixed Base Operator (FBO) who refuels and does other services for the private jets (including providing bunks and showers for the crews). Obviously the FBO will pay more rent based on the quality and number of jets that uses their service. Jets can alternatively fly into Executive Airports (like Henderson Executive Airport). http://www.signatureflight.com/locations http://hea.aero/ Now the federal government in Mexico is not going to let private jets land at MEX. It is a severely overtaxed airport with two runways that are so closely spaced that one must be used for landings, and the other for takeoffs. Hence, they are only incrementally better than a single runway. When they build a new airport I am sure that they would accept private jets. I am not sure where the Presidential jet is hangered. But McCarran is run by a private airport authority which must necessarily be concerned with revenue. I suspect that they will raise fees on commercial carriers to discourage service before they will raise the price of rental on the FBO to try and drive them out. SAN Diego airport reached ludicrous stage when they announced that they were reconfiguring their airport to encourage competition with a second FBO. The airport had only one FBO for over half a century. So they were running a campaign to encourage the expenditure of billions of dollars to replace an airport because it was the only major single runway airport in the country. At the same time they were trying to allow for a second FBO to have a more competitive environment to service private jets. |