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August 31st, 2016 at 12:49:59 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
When they build a new airport I am sure that they would accept private jets. I am not sure where the Presidential jet is hangered.


The president's 787 is at MEX. So area bunch of 727s and executive jets belonging to the Federal Police. And executive jets used by government officials or agencies can, and do, land and take off from MEX as well (were this not the case, Camilo Muriño might still be alive today). The latter belong to private companies, but are under contract with the government.

No idea whether private jets will be allowed at the new MEX. It's not necessarily a good place for many wealthy people who live in the north and west parts of town. For them TLC is much more convenient.
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August 31st, 2016 at 1:47:50 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Nareed
...(were this not the case, Camilo Muriño might still be alive today).


The investigation into this accident highlights the danger of mixing small planes with large jets.

Quote: Wikipedia article on 18:45 local time on November 4, 2008 Mexico City plane crash

The black boxes were sent to the United States for analysis. Information gathered from 38 minutes of cabin conversations, along with video footage from a security camera on top of the Omega Office Building, provided evidence for an official statement by the Mexican Government that the crash was the result of pilot error.[20] The Learjet was ruled to have been flying too close to a Boeing 767-300 operated by Mexicana, and therefore suffered violent wake turbulence caused by the larger jet. The minimum allowable distance for a lighter plane to follow behind a heavier plane is 5 nautical miles (9.3 km); the Learjet was only 4.1 nautical miles (7.6 km) behind the Mexicana plane.

Investigations into the accident have discovered several issues with the Mexican government's use of private contractors as pilots of government aircraft, especially important in cases such as this, when the passengers are high-level officials. Aviación Ejecutiva SA de CV is a company based in Toluca that currently holds the contract with the Mexican Federal government to provide services of maintenance and pilots for the federal airline fleet.

Benito Juárez Airport restricts light general aviation, which typically flies from Toluca International Airport. Only some government areas handle small and medium planes from facilities in Mexico City's Benito Juárez International Airport.

Several key elements of the accident have emerged during the investigation:

The flight crew appear to have had little experience in operation of the Learjet 45, and an investigation concluded that the flight crew received fraudulent type certifications, they did not receive training and certification forms were missing or unsigned by their flight school.

The descent profile showed that the plane approached the airport with an inconsistent descent angle. The plane descended rapidly and then leveling off as they approach the airport in a "stepped approach". It also flew faster than the speed given from the air traffic controller which brought the plane closer to the Mexicana 767-300.

Conversation among the flight crew indicates that they had little familiarity with the operation of the plane; they failed on several occasions to enter the proper information into the cockpit instruments, did not follow a proper flight plan, and had navigational difficulties, missing their original arrival to San Luis Potosí by over 250 nautical miles. Further it was stated that their in-flight conversations were more of the nature of people driving a car, not of trained pilots following a proper flight plan.

The flight crew waited over a minute to follow the order from air traffic control to reduce their velocity. The Learjet had been traveling at 262 knots (485 km/h), while the Mexicana 767-300 was flying at 185 knots , which caused the Learjet to get too close to the 767-300. The accident happened during peak hours at the airport with heavy air traffic; this has brought criticism of the handling and scheduling of risky flight plans for top government officials.

The accident happened just at the point where aircraft entering Mexico City traveling on a 170° course (south-southeast) make a sharp left turn to align with the runways of Benito Juárez International Airport, at 53° (northeast). When the Learjet reached the turning point, too close behind the Mexicana 767-300, it encountered violent wake turbulence, causing the plane to invert into a nose-down attitude. At this point, the plane would have been flying at 9,000 feet (2,700 m) MSL, which is about 1,700 feet over the ground.

The weather at the time of the accident was calm which sustained the wake turbulence.

The flight crew was unable to regain control due to airspeed, inverted nose-down position, and insufficient altitude. The flight crew did manage to reduce the angle of descent from 45° to 40° before hitting the ground at over 300 miles per hour.
August 31st, 2016 at 2:18:42 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
The investigation into this accident highlights the danger of mixing small planes with large jets.


Not to mention having pilots actually qualified to fly the plane they're piloting.

I thought the planes were leased from private companies. I was wrong. But if the feds own the planes, they should really also hire the pilots, or draw them from the air force (let them do something useful for a change).

I wonder who flies the Federal Police planes...
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August 31st, 2016 at 6:31:02 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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I wonder if one could say that the primary benefit of a private jet landing is the FBO that services the plane and its crew. The local limousine and taxi companies sure benefit, the local freight company probably benefits, some local businesses THINK that they benefit from the arrival of the chairman of the board or their critically needed spare part or specialized technician. All that fresh sushi flown into town benefits the high end casinos, all that cheap shrimp benefits the low end casinos. Liquor could get trucked but it is usually flown to Vegas. Anyone putting on a show at a casino or a public exhibition hall, fair ground, etc. sure ships a great deal of sound equipment and personnel in by private plane. So I don't think one can say 'these private jets are a drag on revenue'. A private jet can usually clear a runway faster than a commercial airliner can, so its landing "slot" is less time and its "taxiing time" is to the FBO, not a passenger terminal. A private jet does not take up ANY space on an airlines apron and does not require any of the myriad service trucks that airliners require (food, gas, garbage, cargo). Also, do not forget FEDEX.... if an airport is used by fedex every singlle business in town benefits from it. So even if FedEx uses an executive airport for overflow flights, its still a benefit to every one in town.

So all those Tuesday thru Thursday conventioneers in the casinos are really reliant upon the 24 hour seven day a week executive airports for all that freight traffic involved in displays and technicians.
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