Southwest Airlines annual report

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September 23rd, 2016 at 1:33:05 PM permalink
Nareed
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Probably. it is 12 air miles from Reynosa airport to McAllen. Even closer than the 18 miles from San Diego airport to Tijuana airport.
The MFE airport is right near downtown so you could easily have passed it.


It was some time ago. I recall we crossed daily and drove straight to the one big mall. What i do remember is the town right at the border is Hidalgo, TX. That's very ironic.

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Reynosa is served by all the Mexican airlines.


When I went, there was one AM flight from MEX in the morning and turned right back. Then in the early evening there was another one from a very short-lived airline called Aerolineas Internacionnales, which flew old B-727s (last time I flew that type). In between flights, the airport was closed.


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But you get my point that there are airports all over Texas that have little or no service except for expensive hub connections to Houston and Dallas


It's when you see things like this that you think perhaps Texas ought to have remained a country, or it would have been wiser to divide it into three to five states. It's big enough to be two whole countries, not just one. Perhaps the dynamics of air travel would have been different.
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September 23rd, 2016 at 1:56:15 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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It's when you see things like this that you think perhaps Texas ought to have remained a country, or it would have been wiser to divide it into three to five states. It's big enough to be two whole countries, not just one. Perhaps the dynamics of air travel would have been different.


Texas has the right to break up in as many as four states. They secured that right when they entered the Union. California didn't do the same, although it is now bigger than Texas.

The dynamics of air travel will probably remain very national. In order to protect certain industries, we do without service. Grocery chains have opened up in the USA, and we now have several European chains operating.
September 23rd, 2016 at 2:31:25 PM permalink
Nareed
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Texas has the right to break up in as many as four states. They secured that right when they entered the Union. California didn't do the same, although it is now bigger than Texas.


There has been talk about splitting California, too. I don't think it will happen, with either state, as it would throw the electoral games out of whack.

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The dynamics of air travel will probably remain very national.


For a while. Eventually more trade barriers will fall. I'm delighted every time one of Norwegian's subsidiaries skirts the rules and moves into new markets. I think they're flying 737s from the US to the Caribbean.

I wince when US-based airlines complain about it. Instead of complaining, they should look for ways of skirting the rules, using fifth freedom rights, etc. and moving into new markets.

A while ago Patrick Smith complained in his blog that the US has not had a global airline since Pan Am died. I don't know if this is what he meant, but the big remaining three should focus on carrying passengers anywhere there's service to be offered and money to be made, rather than just to and from the US. The Gulf airlines are doing amazingly well with that.

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In order to protect certain industries, we do without service. Grocery chains have opened up in the USA, and we now have several European chains operating.


You must know the largest grocery store chain in Mexico is Wal-Mart, right?

I wonder if Donald Trump will threaten reprisals unless Wal-Mart moves all those stores back to the US...
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September 23rd, 2016 at 6:10:49 PM permalink
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You must know the largest grocery store chain in Mexico is Wal-Mart, right?

I wonder if Donald Trump will threaten reprisals unless Wal-Mart moves all those stores back to the US...

I'll bet you Republicans are the greatest overall beneficiary of Mexican labor.

Back to Southwest, I looked at the number of trips flown since 1975. Expansion was fairly constant for many years, then jumped up with the acquisition of Air Tran in 2011. Peaked in 2012 at 1.36 million trips.

You might argue that it is maturity, as eventually Southwest had to reach all the airports that they expected to reach, and now future growth is by packing more seats per plane (146 seats per plane in 2015 up from 135 seats per plane in 2011). Seats per plane is sometimes called "gauge", so when an airline trades in their order of planes for version with more seats it is called "up-gauging".

But it also means that Southwest will never grow much beyond flying to 33 out of 72 small airports. So service to those millions of customers will largely consist of a handful of regional jets flying to a hub (at great expense) where they can look forward to connections.

Millions trips - Yr - Increase
1.27 2015 0.9%
1.26 2014 -4.4%
1.31 2013 -3.6%
1.36 2012 3.3% <===== peak number of trips
1.32 2011 18.3%
1.11 2010 -0.9%
1.13 2009 -5.5% depression cut back
1.19 2008 2.6%
1.16 2007 6.3%
1.09 2006 6.2%
1.03 2005 4.8%
0.98 2004 3.3%
0.95 2003 0.3%
0.95 2002 0.7%
0.94 2001 4.1%
0.90 2000 6.7%
0.85 1999 5.0%
0.81 1998 2.6%
0.79 1997 5.0%
0.75 1996 9.2%
0.69 1995 9.8%
0.62 1994 14.3%
0.55 1993 24.7%
0.44 1992 14.5%
0.38 1991 13.2%
0.34 1990 11.0%
0.30 1989 234.3%
0.09 1980 419.3%
0.02 1975
September 24th, 2016 at 3:23:45 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Pacomartin

You might argue that it is maturity, as eventually Southwest had to reach all the airports that they expected to reach, and now future growth is by packing more seats per plane (146 seats per plane in 2015 up from 135 seats per plane in 2011). Seats per plane is sometimes called "gauge", so when an airline trades in their order of planes for version with more seats it is called "up-gauging".

But it also means that Southwest will never grow much beyond flying to 33 out of 72 small airports. So service to those millions of customers will largely consist of a handful of regional jets flying to a hub (at great expense) where they can look forward to connections.


How much do they really need to grow? While growth is a business mantra, so many businesses take a good business and kill it by growing into something they are not suited for or do not understand as well. Might well be better for them to just keep concentrating on the small airport market, focus on taking more and more market there. Focus on keeping debt low and good ROI. Become an income not growth company?
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September 24th, 2016 at 4:59:30 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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How much do they really need to grow?


They are going to grow by retiring the last 96 B737-300 jets by 3rd quarter 2017, and upgauging from 143 to 175 seat jets. They may grow into Mexico and central America, but they don't seem to be making that a priority.

I don't necessarily see anything wrong with turning the fuel savings into profit. At least if fuel goes back up then profits will just go back down, but the company won't be in trouble.

But it doesn't look good for the 5% of air passengers scattered across hundreds of tiny airports.

Although most airports reports passengers (boarding, disembarking and riding through), the FAA counts "boardings only".
An airport is "small" if it boards fewer than 2,000,000 passengers per year
An airport is below "small" if it boards fewer than 400,000 passengers per year

American Airlines flies to 80 domestic destinations
United Airlines flies to 78 domestic destinations
Delta's number of domestic destinations is not immediately obvious
Southwest services 84 domestic airports
24 out of 30 large airports (DFW, HNL,IAH,JFK,MIA,ORD are the 6 large hub airports not served)
27 out of 30 medium airport (Cincinnati Airport is the only medium airport not in Hawaii or Alaska not served)
33 out of the 72 small airports, and
3 airports in Texas that are below small (legacy of earliest history of the company). Amarillo, Corpus Christi, and Harlingen/South Padre Island

341,125 AMA
338,312 CRP
259,864 HRL

Most airlines would serve all 30 large airports and all 30 small airports with mainline jets. They will serve some of the 72 small airports, but most of them with regional subsidiary.

Southwest does not fly to 6 large airports, but that is more of a business strategy.
Flights in Dallas are in DAL love field instead of DFW.
Houston they fly to HOU instead of IAH.
Chicago fly to Midway instead of ORD.
In New York they fly to Newark, La Guardia and Islip instead of JFK
In Southern Florida they fly to FLL instead of MIA
They don't fly to Hawaii

Medium airport skipped by Southwest
Presumably Southwest will fly Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport once Delta pulls out
They don't fly to Anchorage or Maui
September 24th, 2016 at 7:38:07 AM permalink
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Paco, which airports do United and American fly to that the other doesn't?
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September 24th, 2016 at 7:49:35 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Paco, which airports do United and American fly to that the other doesn't?


I know I said UA has 78 domestic destinations and AA has 80, but that is their advertising. They can always put a mainline jet in place of a regional jet at the last minute or vica versa.

Just looking at the most recent month (March 2016) the most prominent is JFK which United pulled out of completely since they are so dominant in Newark.

Normally United would fly ONT to DEN ,and United Express to other United hubs. They must have changed to United Express planes at the last minute

  1. American Airlines Inc. 188,509 JFK
  2. American Airlines Inc. 31,592 ONT Ontario International Airport
  3. American Airlines Inc. 17,712 MKE General Mitchell International Airport Milwaukee, Wisconsin
  4. American Airlines Inc. 14,359 PVD T. F. Green Airport Providence, Rhode Island
  5. American Airlines Inc. 9,443 STX
  6. American Airlines Inc. 7,622 OAK
  7. American Airlines Inc. 7,349 COS
  8. American Airlines Inc. 6,582 FAT
  9. American Airlines Inc. 6,287 DAY
  10. American Airlines Inc. 5,830 SYR
  11. American Airlines Inc. 3,625 ILM
  12. American Airlines Inc. 3,625 MDT
  13. American Airlines Inc. 3,595 PWM
  14. American Airlines Inc. 3,439 LBB
  15. American Airlines Inc. 2,866 SDF
  16. American Airlines Inc. 345 SAV

  1. United Air Lines Inc. 11,602 SRQ Sarasota–Bradenton International Airport
  2. United Air Lines Inc. 8,001 GUM Guam International Airport
  3. United Air Lines Inc. 6,561 MSN Dane County Regional Airport. Madison, the capital of Wisconsin
  4. United Air Lines Inc. 5,813 BIL
  5. United Air Lines Inc. 5,258 BQN
  6. United Air Lines Inc. 3,175 FSD
  7. United Air Lines Inc. 3,174 ICT
  8. United Air Lines Inc. 2,803 BTV
  9. United Air Lines Inc. 2,753 ITO
  10. United Air Lines Inc. 1,124 GRR
  11. United Air Lines Inc. 118 MKC
  12. United Air Lines Inc. 114 ACT Waco Regional Airport (not a commercial airport)
  13. United Air Lines Inc. 97 DAL
  14. United Air Lines Inc. 96 CPS St. Louis Downtown Airport (not a commercial airport, so must have been an emergency)


These airports had both United and American. Of the 30 large airports, United does not fly to JFK, and neither airline flies to Midway in Chicago. Obviously they serve the other 28.
...... UA CODE AA
  1. 34,423 DFW 1,604,077
  2. 719,153 ORD 694,111
  3. 5,089 CLT 1,052,065
  4. 94,902 PHX 737,381
  5. 337,443 LAX 477,275
  6. 585,413 SFO 182,936
  7. 639,648 DEN 121,485
  8. 58,438 MIA 694,540
  9. 643,060 IAH 64,352
  10. 589,556 EWR 87,096
  11. 39,926 PHL 517,529
  12. 172,992 MCO 254,757
  13. 132,664 BOS 273,810
  14. 141,579 LAS 210,200
  15. 31,198 DCA 295,885
  16. 83,817 LGA 238,695
  17. 224,702 IAD 27,444
  18. 87,483 TPA 154,008
  19. 87,561 FLL 127,591
  20. 90,533 SAN 122,072
  21. 89,041 SEA 95,226
  22. 46,576 ATL 98,310
  23. 88,252 HNL 40,796
  24. 27,706 MSP 92,068
  25. 53,740 PDX 44,906
  26. 24,040 BWI 64,132
  27. 12,496 DTW 65,060
  28. 27,835 SLC 49,611


Of the 30 medium airports the following six are not served by both United and American CVG, DAL,HOU,MKE,OAK,ONT
...... UA CODE AA
  1. 51,734 AUS 89,864
  2. 41,327 SJU 94,536
  3. 54,781 RSW 80,999
  4. 51,741 SNA 67,840
  5. 57,502 MSY 53,065
  6. 35,564 PBI 68,132
  7. 21,758 RDU 75,793
  8. 57,932 CLE 23,175
  9. 25,615 SAT 54,059
  10. 187 STL 70,674
  11. 13,720 PIT 48,445
  12. 21,681 SMF 40,223
  13. 34,531 OGG 27,098
  14. 8,960 BNA 43,017
  15. 2,477 MCI 49,204
  16. 8,181 SJC 42,002
  17. 12,423 IND 36,074
  18. 2,583 BDL 31,390
  19. 548 JAX 32,238
  20. 7,552 CMH 23,896
  21. 15,466 OMA 12,987
  22. 8,062 ABQ 18,092
  23. 8,387 ANC 3,705
  24. 291 BUF 10,764


Of the 72 small airports the following are served by both United and American
...... UA CODE AA
  1. 10,669 STT 29,914
  2. 15,220 PSP 24,552
  3. 3,663 TUS 33,126
  4. 11,928 RNO 24,458
  5. 18,602 KOA 11,539
  6. 5,075 TUL 23,341
  7. 5,009 EGE 21,889
  8. 3,033 RIC 22,167
  9. 11,999 DSM 13,008
  10. 9,779 LIH 11,029
  11. 5,648 MEM 12,693
  12. 10,837 JAC 6,656
  13. 207 OKC 16,221
  14. 5,095 MFE 10,225
  15. 5,424 ALB 9,807
  16. 74 ELP 14,619
  17. 6,655 ROC 6,846
  18. 6,586 BOI 6,914
  19. 202 ORF 13,188
  20. 7,095 GEG 3,731
  21. 4,572 HDN 4,332
  22. 1,334 CHS 6,846
  23. 2,251 MTJ 3,973
  24. 252 GUC 3,782
September 25th, 2016 at 8:24:49 AM permalink
DRich
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Thanks Paco, you amaze me.
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September 25th, 2016 at 10:32:42 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Thanks Paco, you amaze me.


Thank you, but you just sort of have to figure out how the database functions work in Excel.
MAP=millions of annual passengers taking off and landing

The 30 large airport by definition carry over 1% of the passenger load. They start at 16 MAP and advance to over 100 MAP in Atlanta. cumulatively they carry 72% of the traffic. The 30 medium airports are from 4 MAP to 16 MAP and large & medium cumulatively carry 88% of the traffic.

The 72 small airports carry from .8 MAP to 4 MAP . Large, medium and small carry 96.5% of traffic. The remaining 413 commercial service airports carry the last 3.5%.

Mexico only has 5 airports with more than 4 MAP. Mexico City carries a passenger load between Orlando and Newark, NJ and is of absolute vital importance to the Mexican air traffic system, with Cancun in 2nd place.

All the Mexican airlines to some extent depend on traffic between Mexico and the USA to remain profitable. But their LCC airlines operate on very low average ticket prices and are essentially competing with luxury buses (a category of transportation almost completely missing in USA).
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This summary table shows that Southwest airlines real strength is in the medium size airport

Nation : Southwest
72.6% : 54.5% large 30 airport
15.4% : 36.8% medium 30 airports
12.0% : 8.8% other 485 commercial service airports

Allegiant has built most of their business model on small airports serving popular destinations. They don't sell connecting tickets!

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