Southwest Airlines annual report
September 26th, 2016 at 12:17:01 AM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | But besides Allegiant there are very airlines competing in the smaller airports. For the most part it isn't profitable. Perhaps if we let the Mexican airlines compete on domestic flights in the smaller Texas airports they may improve service and still manage to make a profit. DAL, HOU, AUS, SAT are the medium size Texas Airports San Antonio San Antonio International (Medium size) El Paso El Paso International Midland Midland International Lubbock Lubbock Preston Smith International McAllen McAllen Miller International Corpus Christi Corpus Christi International Harlingen Valley International Brownsville Brownsville/South Padre Island International Laredo Laredo International |
September 26th, 2016 at 9:14:17 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 | I ran across a chart comparing the costs of flying in various countries. Unfortunately it was while using my tablet, and I can't send the link to my work PC easily. But average costs are lower in the US than Mexico. I'll try to post it or link to it in the evening. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
September 26th, 2016 at 12:09:40 PM permalink | |
DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4943 |
It seems to me that Allegiant has done a remarkable job creating their own markets. To go from a small bankrupt company in 2002 to what they are today seems like it should be a business case study. I still think of them as the little Vegas airline but it seems that they now have more flights operating out of Florida than Las Vegas. At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |
September 26th, 2016 at 12:43:01 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Without question. Aside from the benefit of their productivity, they reap political benefits in many different elections.
According to Cranky flier, they should start charging for bags the minute fuel prices go up. He hasn't said so, but he's been wondering why Southwest eschews the easy revenue from bags, and he thinks the deal with the pilots will cost them a lot. So it makes sense that instead of increasing fares, Southwest will have to charge for the second checked bag at first, and then for the first. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
September 26th, 2016 at 1:11:50 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Maybe they are hoarding the revenue from the fuel savings in anticipation of higher pilot costs. |
September 26th, 2016 at 8:15:32 PM permalink | |
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Here's the link: https://kiwi.com/stories/aviation-price-index/usd/ Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
September 26th, 2016 at 11:07:44 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
If I could translate the numbers into $/100km to cents per mile which is more familiar to US reporting. ($6.21 per 100km = 10 cents per mile) There are four values: Low Cost/Full-service Domestic Flights: Low Cost/Full-service International Flights
I am having trouble with those numbers for the USA. Southwest reports Passenger revenue yield per RPM of 15.57 (cents) so I fail to see how they can calculate 5.7 to 7.8 cents per mile for domestic USA flights. Volaris report revenue of 1152 pesos plane fare for an average of 965 mile trip. Since Volaris makes considerably money from other sources if I include them it goes up to 1431 pesos. Using 20 pesos per dollar, that works out to either 6 cents per mile or 7.4 cents per mile which also doesn't agree very well with the data from that article. In the USA 88% of passengers take off from the 30 large and 30 medium size airports. The remaining 12% of passengers take off from the other 485 airports. I think the flights from large hubs are very efficient But using the same definitions Mexico has two large (MEX and CUN) and three medium airports (GDL MTY and TIJ). US regional jets do not fly point to point, they almost all feed hubs. It isn't immediately clear if Mexican airlines could fly point to point flights from small airports any more efficiently than US airlines. But they may welcome the chance to try. It's a somewhat academic point, as I don't see the US liberalizing it's policy anytime soon. |
September 27th, 2016 at 6:54:35 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
I don't get complex finances at all, nor simple ones for that matter.
In the old days most people wanting to fly from a to B where neither is MEX, usually wound up connecting at MEX, except for a few flights from MTY and GDL. Now there are far more options, but not nearly as many as you get in America.
Who knows? No one seems to be making much of a fuss about Wal-Mart exporting so many jobs and stores to Mexico... Still, what you might get if you got your wish, would be, say, Volaris or Interjet crews on their own planes painted with AA, DL or TED liveries doing contract work for the big airlines. I don't see Southwest, Alaska or Jet Blue hiring out regional flights any time soon. Speaking of Jet Blue, there's much buzz about routes to Europe departing from Boston. Did you know (and you probably did) that Boston to Dublin is only a little longer than Boston to San Francisco? Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
September 27th, 2016 at 8:12:06 AM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
In February 2012, Aer Lingus' CEO said that they were going to go ahead with an order of 9 widebody A350's to replace their present fleet of A330's, but they may order another 5 narrowbodies to give them additional frequencies to the Northeast. So far they haven't ordered them. Jetblue has not made any firm announcements about TATL flights with narrowbodies, but it is inevitable that someone flies that route with a narrowbody The Boeing 737-Max 8/9 has an advertised range of 4045 miles. The Boeing 737-Max 7 (smaller one) has an advertised range of 4431 miles, but as we discussed they may never build it if Bombardier keeps racking up orders. The neoA321 Long Range version advertises 4600 mile range. There probably won't be a Long range 737 with larger capacity simply because they can't move the wing. The Bombardier C300 advertises 3800 miles which would allow Boston to Dublin Boston to SFO 2,704 mi San Francisco DUB 2,993 mi Dublin LIS 3,192 mi Lisbon MAD 3,410 mi Madrid OSL 3,504 mi Oslo, Norway DUS 3,562 mi Dusseldorf BCN 3,650 mi Barcelona I mentioned the 30 FAA "large" airports which are, by definition, airports which board 1% or more of the USA air traffic. Currently that is roughly 16 million annual air passengers. The 31 European airports of equivalent size are pictured on the map. PMI Spain, AYT Turkey, and ATH Greece are common vacation and tourist destinations. I don't think most Western Europeans go to the secondary airport in Moscow or the secondary airport in Istanbul. Stansted London (STN) might be a common destination to transatlantic narrowbodies as they have more room than Heathrow and Gatwick and they have a train that goes right to the heart of the business district in London. Brussels and Dusseldorf are not as common TATL destinations, but they may be reached by narrowbodies. The 30 "large" FAA airports (less Honolulu) |
September 27th, 2016 at 8:50:59 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
I'm pretty sure WOW flies an A320 from Iceland to Baltimore. Now, Jet Blue could easily buy some A330s, ceo or neo, or even A350s XWB, but that tears apart the fleet commonality mantra, and we know how they feel about it by what they say of the Embraers. So for now they can make do on the shorter routes with the A320/1 neo, even if they don't get the LR version. If they do this and manage well, and they have a hard product that can compete on business class and is better in economy, and they grow in Europe, eventually they'll have to upgage and bite the bullet and buy bigger planes. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |