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November 9th, 2016 at 7:27:45 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: TheCesspit
For a single position like president, what else can you do than first past the post? The only alternative is the French Presidential system, where if no candidate gets over 50% of the popular vote, the top two candidates have a run off election. You could do that in the states, I suppose, but unless the electoral college system changes... what would be the point anyway (and even after that, why bother)?


States could enact laws to apportion electoral votes as a proportion of the state's popular vote, or to require a candidate to win a majority of the state's vote in order to get the EVs. In the latter, a run-off might be required.
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November 9th, 2016 at 7:38:48 PM permalink
kenarman
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The liberals proposal won't provide more coalitions it will merely entrench them as the ruling party until the system is changed again. Their proposal is to have a second choice system where you go to peoples second choices and count them if no one has a majority. As the middle of the road party the Liberals will always be the second choice for both the left and the right thus ensuring their election.
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November 9th, 2016 at 7:45:16 PM permalink
TheCesspit
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Quote: kenarman
The liberals proposal won't provide more coalitions it will merely entrench them as the ruling party until the system is changed again. Their proposal is to have a second choice system where you go to peoples second choices and count them if no one has a majority. As the middle of the road party the Liberals will always be the second choice for both the left and the right thus ensuring their election.


Gotcha, not seen the proposal yet, but yes, that would appear to be heavily in their favour.
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November 10th, 2016 at 4:04:41 AM permalink
Dalex64
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Maine just voted for ranked candidates/instant runoffs. It applies to most races, but not for president.

If no candidate has more than 50% of the vote, the votes of the lowest vote getter are discarded and those ballots go to their next highest ranked choice.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan
November 10th, 2016 at 6:35:29 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Dalex64
Maine just voted for ranked candidates/instant runoffs. It applies to most races, but not for president.

If no candidate has more than 50% of the vote, the votes of the lowest vote getter are discarded and those ballots go to their next highest ranked choice.


In such a system I would not give any second choices on my ballot.
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November 10th, 2016 at 8:02:58 AM permalink
Nareed
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Taking a page off trump's playbook, what are the chances the result of the election will be corrected by 2nd Amendment means?

The first principle of politics indicates I should now be accused of grossly uncivilized behavior, if not worst things, even though I'm just asking a question.
If Trump where half as smart as he thinks he is, he'd be twice as smart as he really is.
November 10th, 2016 at 8:37:39 AM permalink
TheCesspit
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Quote: AZDuffman
In such a system I would not give any second choices on my ballot.


You probably wouldn't need to in most races. And if you did get discarded, you'd be effectively saying 'anyone else will do if not this one'.
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November 10th, 2016 at 10:47:53 AM permalink
Dalex64
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Yeah, I don't think there is anything to require you to rank more than one.

In the triple-hypothetical Bush vs Clinton vs Perot run (hypothetial 1 - an instant runoff, hypothetical 2, that it would be allowed in a presidental race, hypothetical 3 that what I am about to describe is based on the popular vote rather than the electoral college) a couple of interesting scenarios emerge -

to review, in that electon Clinton got 43% of the popular vote, Bush 37.4% and Perot 18.9%

Perot could have won outright because people wouldn't have been scared of wasting their vote on a 3rd party candidate and could have put Perot 1 and Bush 2.

Bush could have won, because presumably most of the Perot votes would have gone to Bush if Perot's votes were discarded and then the 2nd choice for most of them was Bush.

Perot could have won, if people put Perot 1 and Bush 2 and then basically reversed the popular vote percentages of those 2 candidates, Bush's votes would have been eliminated and most of them would have gone to Perot.

Another way to say it, using the basic assumption that everyone who put Bush at 1 put Perot at 2, and everyone who put Perot at 2 and Bush at 1, in this election you'd have Clinton at 43% and the person who was initially second in the 3 man race ending up at 56.3%.
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November 11th, 2016 at 10:54:12 AM permalink
YeahBaby
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watch dumbazz Hilary supporters destroy their own TV because they hate Trump
HAHAHAHAHAHA


November 11th, 2016 at 11:33:18 AM permalink
Evenbob
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3 days later they still won't give MI
to Trump because it's put's him over
300 and gives him a mandate. He's
ahead by almost 13,000 votes and
100% have been counted. They're
frantically searching for the 'hidden'
Hillary votes that somebody took
home with them or got lost in the
shuffle. You know, the dead people
and illegal alien votes that were
supposed to let her win.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
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