Was Clinton hurt by no shows?

Quote: Evenbob

Time Mag is hardly conservative and they
say it. I can post 20 other links that say it
as well. My point is, you just spew nonsense,
I'm almost ready to block you, I don't have
time for empty headed comments.

And yet, you make so many of them.

Anybody can post links to any number of websites proving any contention you can name. I pointed out that any candidate that does not win the popular vote AND by the way, did not receive even close to 50% of all votes cast can hardly be said to have a mandate. But you can ignore that fact if you wish. Trumpers HATE facts.

Please block me! Please! I can see how much being disagreed with bothers you, and I wouldn't want to be responsible for a cardiac event on your part.

Quote: stinkingliberal

Please block me! Please!

Done! You're only here to cause trouble,
goodbye.

The popular vote doesn't matter. Presidents are not elected by popular vote.

If Hillary had earned the same number of votes as Obama did in 2012 she would have beaten Trump.
No kiddin'?

Quote: Pacomartin

The citizens are probably tired of being told that they are America's past and not it's future.

DING DING DING DING DING--WINNER WINNER, CHICKEN DINNER!

Democrats stopped getting a majority of the white vote IIRC in 1976 or 1980. They didn't get a majority of anyone 1980-2004. I am not sure if they got most whites in 2008 or not, but they had given up on whites about 2004 as a matter of party policy. Working class whites who were once the backbone of the Democrat Party became like some 45 year old woman who's husband left her for his secretary.

Throw in the media, who was giddy about the decline of whites as a demo. I have seen many times where they hardly even disguise the thought that there was something wrong with Trump because whites supported him. Also throw in minorities who are equally giddy, waving Mexican flags, etc. Almost saying that whites should move out while the getting is good.

Not just tired, efffing sick and tired.

Quote: AZDuffman

Not just tired, efffing sick and tired.

Somebody who is sick and tired of
the present administration is Nettanyahu
and Israel. They're thrilled Trump got
elected, look for lots pf progress in that
area. Iran isn't happy about it at all,
they adored Obama and his anti American
policies.

Quote: pew

If Hillary had earned the same number of votes as Obama did in 2012 she would have beaten Trump.
No kiddin'?

There has been relatively little variation in the number of votes earned by Republican candidates over the last four elections. All I was saying is that Democratic candidates winning or losing seems to be more determined by who does or does not show up to vote, rather than how many undecideds they can persuade to switch parties.

60,265,858 Donald Trump
60,933,504 Mitt Romney
59,948,323 John McCain
62,040,610 GW Bush 2004

60,839,922 Hillary
65,915,795 Obama - 2012
69,498,516 Obama - 2008
59,028,444 Kerry

Under the assumption that Hillary wouldn't win a state that Obama lost, then these four states would have given Trump the presidency
20 Pennsylvania
18 Ohio
16 Michigan
10 Wisconsin

These four states were just icing on the cake
29 Florida
6 Iowa
1 Maine (congressional district)

Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin seemed to have been largely determined by voters that didn't show up to the polls. Pennsylvania and Florida more by voters who switched parties.

Quote: Pacomartin

There has been relatively little variation in the number of votes earned by Republican candidates over the last four elections. All I was saying is that Democratic candidates winning or losing seems to be more determined by who does or does not show up to vote, rather than how many undecideds they can persuade to switch parties.

60,265,858 Donald Trump
60,933,504 Mitt Romney
59,948,323 John McCain
62,040,610 GW Bush 2004

60,839,922 Hillary
65,915,795 Obama - 2012
69,498,516 Obama - 2008
59,028,444 Kerry

Seems to show a few things that really make sense. One is that Trump was totally right in ignoring the "ground game." Republicans will come out on their own. No need for phone banks, drivers, etc for the most part. Surely there are some old folks who get a ride at the nursing home or whatever. Another is that after Obamamania, Democrats are back to the trend line. Probably almost of the loss are blacks and college-age kids.

Dems cannot count on running a black every time nor can they hope for an Obama energy wave. Such a wave seems to be once a generation. Sometimes the wave on campus does not reach beyond.

Undecideds area dying breed.

Perhaps politics will grow beyond the point where we feel that our representatives have to look like the dominant group. The two highest percentage African American minority-majority congressional districts are (66.3% Mississippi 2nd) represented by Congressman Bennie G. Thompson in Jackson and (65.2% Tennessee 9th) Steve Cohen in Memphis.




Steven Cohen defeated the third member of the African American family (the Ford's) to run for the office. The Ford's controlled the seat for 24 years (1983-2007) .


Mia Love represents Utah's 4th district which is 83.7% White, 1.67% Black, 2.99% Asian, 16.45% Hispanic, .76% Native American, and 7.17% other.

Quote: AZDuffman

Seems to show a few things that really make sense. One is that Trump was totally right in ignoring the "ground game." Republicans will come out on their own.

Not really. Trump had a ground game--his hate rallies (he appears to want to hold more). Those proved quite popular. Joe Sixpack was quite willing to drive his pickup truck hundreds of miles to scream hate slogans. The existential thrill that doing so gave Trumpers lingered until it was time to vote. I can only imagine the number of erections that arose--many for the first time in years!--as Trumpers screamed and waved their signs. Wanting to achieve erections for a second time, they drove to the polls.

The no doubt impressive Republican turnout at the polls shows one thing and one thing only--that hatred and fear are intensely powerful motivators. You may have voted for Hillary because you agreed with her policies, etc.--but you voted for Trump because you hate and are fearful. That's MUCH stronger than whatever Hillary could or would have offered. It's like offering a raw steak to a dog.