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April 18th, 2017 at 8:36:15 AM permalink
ams288
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August 18th, 2017 at 3:21:39 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Movement continues:

New ballot measure plots another route to California independence

This one has an interesting twist. There has been call for a Constitutional Convention by some groups, most on the right, for a few years now. The holdup us usually that such a convention can make many changes, not just the ones you want to talk about, and a chain reaction could mean a totally new constitution.

Think about it, though. You want more states rights, CA wants them to the point of being able to leave. Can some agreement be found? Do you get the USA version of the Estates General meeting?
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August 18th, 2017 at 7:21:40 AM permalink
kenarman
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Nareed will Mexico accept California? This is a two step process, the second step is to vote to join Mexico.
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August 18th, 2017 at 8:30:23 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: kenarman
Nareed will Mexico accept California? This is a two step process, the second step is to vote to join Mexico.


A significant number of folks in CA have more loyalty to Mexico, but would be a bad deal to unite with such a poor and corrupt country.
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August 18th, 2017 at 9:52:16 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: kenarman
Nareed will Mexico accept California? This is a two step process, the second step is to vote to join Mexico.


Of course, Mexico would accept California. The GDP of California is considerably larger than that of Mexico. Heck, the GDP of California is larger than France, and almost as large as Britain.

But California is never going to vote to join with Mexico. I even doubt you would get a majority of Mexican Americans that live in California would vote for such a move.

Good Grief! The majority of Puerto Ricans would not vote for independence. What makes you think Californians would vote to join Mexico?
August 18th, 2017 at 10:04:22 AM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
Good Grief! The majority of Puerto Ricans would not vote for independence. What makes you think Californians would vote to join Mexico?


Right wing paranoid fantasies are every bit as weird as other conspiracy theories. I tend to ignore them,

Here's one: Hitler staged the attack on Pearl Harbor.

You know, this one almost makes sense. It would Have benefited the nazis to have the US involved in a massive war in the Pacific, leaving America unable to 1) get involved in the war in Europe and 2) get them to at least reduce the amount of supplies and equipment to his enemies via lend-lease.

But the whole thing collapses because very soon thereafter the tiny dictator went and declared war on the US.


Or the flip side: FDR arranged the attack on Pearl Harbor.

That one's so self-evidently ridiculous, it doesn't need debunking.
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August 18th, 2017 at 1:01:43 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Nareed
Here's one: Hitler staged the attack on Pearl Harbor. You know, this one almost makes sense. It would Have benefited the nazis to have the US involved in a massive war in the Pacific, leaving America
1) unable to get involved in the war in Europe and
2) get them to at least reduce the amount of supplies and equipment to his enemies via lend-lease.


Well it almost makes sense since Hitler was so delighted. Both points you listed were things that Hitler believed. He just didn't stage the attack, nor is there any reason to believe he knew about it beforehand.
August 18th, 2017 at 1:16:58 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
Well it almost makes sense since Hitler was so delighted. Both points you listed were things that Hitler believed. He just didn't stage the attack, nor is there any reason to believe he knew about it beforehand.


He very likely didn't know Mussolini was going to invade Greece until he had to put his dick out of the meat grinder. This delayed the invasion of the USSR, and soured Hitler on airborne operations. Both these things went a long way in savings Stalin's own dick in the meat grinder of the Eastern Front.

But back to Pearl Harbor, if German intelligence didn't know Churchill was conspiring with Roosevelt to implement a "Germany First" war strategy, long before Dec. 1941, then why bother having an intelligence agency to begin with?
If Trump where half as smart as he thinks he is, he'd be twice as smart as he really is.
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