Calexit
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9 members have voted
February 19th, 2017 at 6:32:16 AM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 |
That's true. With every state getting two free electoral votes, the ratio of electoral votes to population is lowest in California. I'm not sure if this also part of their point but with California leaning so heavily blue, they probably feel left out in terms of candidate attention. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |
February 19th, 2017 at 7:45:41 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18204 |
They get no attention because they are going to vote one way anyhow. Of course many states are the same boat, just the huge population there emphasizes it. I do see this as the same as Scotland now and Lithuania a generation ago. I remember the later in 1989, they declare independence and the USSR could not stop it short of making the place an occupied zone under martial law. Some laughed, but just years later all the Baltics were given independence. People dismiss Calexit at their own peril. The President is a fink. |
February 19th, 2017 at 12:47:45 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
States with a single congressional district in some sense get three votes per vote cast. District of Columbia At-large Alaska At-large Montana At-large Wyoming At-large South Dakota At-large North Dakota At-large Vermont At-large Delaware At-large
President Trump won 25 counties in California. There is nothing in the constitution that says a state should vote "winner take all". California will get a lot more attention. |
February 19th, 2017 at 3:49:18 PM permalink | |
stinkingliberal Member since: Nov 9, 2016 Threads: 17 Posts: 731 |
I think many Californians don't want to live in a country Where their votes count 1/3 as much as those in other states Where companies can freely dump waste into rivers Where there are no environmental regulations Where there are no banking regulations Where there is no public education Where workers are routinely abused and underpaid and have no recourse Where racial, religious, and gender discrimination are not only accepted but actually codified into law Where coal instead of computers is the primary technology Where an incompetent narcissist is the leader Where only the rich can afford health care and no one else gets it This is the country the Republicans want. This is the country they are trying to create. Why should California go along as the Republicans do everything they can to solidify absolute power? |
February 19th, 2017 at 4:55:17 PM permalink | |
stinkingliberal Member since: Nov 9, 2016 Threads: 17 Posts: 731 |
Those aren't great parallels, though, because both Scotland and Lithuania were conquered and absorbed, whereas California was an independent nation that joined the US voluntarily. I see the most apt comparison as Quebec. Quebecoise see themselves as socially, culturally, and of course, linguistically distinct from the rest of Canada and have never been all that thrilled with being in the Canadian federation. At least two secession referenda have failed narrowly. Of course, Canadian provinces have more autonomy than US states have. That's why the first Calexit move will be a petition to amend the CA constitution so as to validate the state's right to secede from the Union. Right now, it doesn't say that its participation in the Union is voluntary and can be rescinded at any time, which is what the Calexit advocates want. What I'd really like to see is the nation of Pacifica. WA, OR, CA, HI, and Clark and Washoe counties from Nevada. It would be a self-sufficient economic powerhouse, and no longer being crippled by having to help pay for the foibles of the flyover states, would very quickly become the richest nation (per capita) on earth, with a progressive society and advanced technology. (I left out Alaska because Moose Shooter Lady wouldn't allow the state to join.) |
February 19th, 2017 at 6:02:27 PM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 |
In fact, doesn't Maine divide them according to the vote within Maine, or maybe by regions with Maine? Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |
February 19th, 2017 at 6:06:55 PM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 |
I support the Cascadia independence movement. Largely because I have an interest in ridiculous causes that have no chance at success. I'm proud to say I've climbed four of the Cascade volcanoes. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |
February 19th, 2017 at 6:45:31 PM permalink | |
stinkingliberal Member since: Nov 9, 2016 Threads: 17 Posts: 731 |
Doesn't Cascadia include British Columbia and NOT California? Or maybe some iterations of it include the State of Jefferson. BC has quite a history of semi-independence. In fact, they said they weren't even going to join Canada back in 1867 unless the federal government bankrolled the Trans-Canadian railroad. I've climbed Thielsen, South Sister, Hood, and Lassen. The last one was easy; the other three, not so much. |
February 19th, 2017 at 8:38:41 PM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 |
Yep. The Cascade range extends into BC. Cascadia also includes parts of northern California, including Mount Shasta and Lassen.
Mount Hood! Pretty impressive. That is the only one I've done on your list. I've heard the three sisters are no walk in the park either. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |
February 20th, 2017 at 2:51:10 AM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Maine and Nebraska give one vote for each congressional district, and two votes for the majority winner of the state. This allocation method is heavily favored by many progressives as a practical compromise to the simple popular vote. As a general rule in the last few decades, Democrats win certain congressional districts (like those in the Bronx) by an overhwhelmingly high percentage points. Given the voting pattern in 2012 Mitt Romney would have beaten Barack Obama in electoral college votes using this alternative allocation method. Obama, ‘won’ 209 districts while Governor Romney, ‘won’ 226 giving Romney a lead of 15 electoral college votes. Obama, 'won' 2 states + DC more than Governor Romney which would have given him 6 more electoral college votes, which was not enough to beat the 15 extra from the congressional districts. However, voting patterns may have been different if campaigning was aimed at a different allocation method. |